Tarticmonkey
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It is indeed. I always find as well that everyone leaves after lunch too so you can get some good laps in.
Glacier White 200 Cup
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I took the Clio to AW Motorworks today to get the alignment done after the front hubs had been replaced.
The toe was very much out at the front of the car but otherwise it was all okay and easy to sort.
It was the first time that I had driven the car any real distance since the gearbox was refurbed. The box now feels good. The Gripper seems to be getting louder for slow manoeuvres on full lock. The new gearbox oil temperature sensor is also working showing the the box oil is roughly the same temperature as the engine oil most of the time.
We have three track days booked over the three months. Donington Park this Friday, then Mallory Park on 14th March 2025 and then Blyton Park on 12th April 2025.
The toe was very much out at the front of the car but otherwise it was all okay and easy to sort.
It was the first time that I had driven the car any real distance since the gearbox was refurbed. The box now feels good. The Gripper seems to be getting louder for slow manoeuvres on full lock. The new gearbox oil temperature sensor is also working showing the the box oil is roughly the same temperature as the engine oil most of the time.
We have three track days booked over the three months. Donington Park this Friday, then Mallory Park on 14th March 2025 and then Blyton Park on 12th April 2025.
av4625
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I didn’t expect the box oil to be as high as that when road driving (not really sure what I expected it to be). Will be interesting to see what it is on track! I want all these sensors on mine
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d6n
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I have done Mallory a few times in my old 172 and Corsa VXR. It's been a while back but it's great fun.
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Dowling93
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What gearbox oil are you running actually? Just the Castrol 75w90? Be handy to know when I eventually get around to fixing mine
RSRowe
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I never really put 2 and 2 together lads. But I think if you go back to 75w80, you'll see far less wear on the synchro's.
I noticed when moving to 90 in mine (after fitting the diff) that I could feel a slight notchiness. I went back to 80 and it was fine.
I spoke to Gripper about it at the time, as the diff is recommended to be used in 75w90. They advised to stick with the OEM grade, as the diff is far more hardy than the chocolate Renault make the boxes out of.
I noticed when moving to 90 in mine (after fitting the diff) that I could feel a slight notchiness. I went back to 80 and it was fine.
I spoke to Gripper about it at the time, as the diff is recommended to be used in 75w90. They advised to stick with the OEM grade, as the diff is far more hardy than the chocolate Renault make the boxes out of.
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EthanMenace
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We were running 75W-80 before the box came out. Alex suggested it looked like it had been getting quite hot so to try out some 110 or 140
RSRowe
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RSRowe
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Don’t get too fixated on temps btw.
I know it sounds stupid, but thinner oil will be hotter, but it’s drawing the heat out of the metal components.
I know it sounds stupid, but thinner oil will be hotter, but it’s drawing the heat out of the metal components.
Onrus
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Like RSRowe said thicker doesn’t mean better. Thicker oil takes longer to flow causing more heat.
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We went to Donington Park for a track day with Open Track today. The track day was on the GP circuit which we had not done before.
Six weeks ago at Snetterton we developed a third gear crunch so had the gearbox rebuilt with new synchros and had the worst out Gripper plates replaced with more aggressive track spec plates.
We drove up to Donington last night and stayed in a twin room at a hotel for £36.99. The drive up was bit weird as the steering felt vague and like it had a dead spot in the centre. You could tug the wheel left or right without it making any difference to the steering. This was all very odd as the steering on the Clio had always been very direct and the steering wheel had always given a lot of feel and feedback.
After he had got to the track, signed on and had some breakfast @EthanMenace diagnosed the steering issue as a loose bolt joining the steering column to the steering rack. Problem solved. With the Clio unpacked the track wheels went on and on to the track we went.
The weather for a February track day was spectacular. It started out as frosty and misty but by 9.00 am the sun was out and it stayed out. The temperature was about 10 degrees and felt warmer in the sun.
Ethan did the first session in the car and initially the gearbox felt good. The Gripper was having a big impact on slower corners and the car was performing well. When we were back in the pit lane after the first session the first red flag of the day happened. There were only 6 red flags today which is a low number for Donington Park standards.
I went out for the next session and was enjoying the flowing track until there was another red flag. I finished off my session and thought that the gearbox did not feel as silky smooth as I expected it to be.
I now realise that our choice of Millers 75w110 oil for the gearbox was a bad decision. Over the course of the day the gearbox was difficult to use. You had to be patient when going up through the gears and it would crunch very slightly when being rushed with downshifts. We have decided go back to a normal grade gearbox oil and will change it before the next track day in 2 weeks time.
After we had both done a few sessions we both felt that the brakes were being too noisy and were causing very slight wheel vibrations. We took the front wheels off to have a look and confirmed that there was plenty of DS1.11 pad left, but the face of the Godspeed G hook discs looked knackered. There were no cracks in the discs but after the beating we have given then I think that they are just worn out. I haven't got a photo but there are clear veins on the discs from wear.
We carried on in the afternoon but after finishing a session just before 4pm we decided that the gearbox was not happy and if we pushed the Clio any harder then we might cause some permanent damage.
We very rarely finish a track day before the chequered flag but decided it was the right thing to do today. The Direzza track tyres have taken a beating today and might last one more track day if we are lucky. One of the tyres has a very small amount of delamination on the outer edge of the shoulder so if we do use it again it can stay on the rear axle.
The brakes sounded awful by the end of the day and Ethan nursed the car home our three hour journey back to Essex. Whilst on the way home we decided to fix the brake issue by ordering new brakes. We have ordered Godspeed G hook discs the front and rear, also DS1.11 pads for the front and rear. We have gone for a 330mm front discs and with some adapters from Godspeed to install a set of Megane 3 callipers in place of the Clio front callipers. The front pads we ordered are for the bigger Megane 3 calliper. We have had a set of Megane 3 callipers for nearly a year now but had not got round to installing them. The final item ordered was a calliper build kit to replace the seals on the Megane 3 callipers.
Ethan's best lap time of the day was a 1m 54s.
My best lap time was a 1m 58s. I lacked Ethan's confidence to take most of Craner's Curves in fifth gear at 110mph.
We have got Mallory Park booked for 2 weeks time so Ethan will be kept busy with a gearbox oil change and a complete brake overhaul over the next 14 days.
Overall it was a good day. Donington Park is a circuit that flows well and it is even better in the sun.
One thing I did noice about Donington today is that it has now lost its BMW branding and boards reading "M The Most Powerful Letter in the World". It is all now Hyundai branding.
Six weeks ago at Snetterton we developed a third gear crunch so had the gearbox rebuilt with new synchros and had the worst out Gripper plates replaced with more aggressive track spec plates.
We drove up to Donington last night and stayed in a twin room at a hotel for £36.99. The drive up was bit weird as the steering felt vague and like it had a dead spot in the centre. You could tug the wheel left or right without it making any difference to the steering. This was all very odd as the steering on the Clio had always been very direct and the steering wheel had always given a lot of feel and feedback.
After he had got to the track, signed on and had some breakfast @EthanMenace diagnosed the steering issue as a loose bolt joining the steering column to the steering rack. Problem solved. With the Clio unpacked the track wheels went on and on to the track we went.
The weather for a February track day was spectacular. It started out as frosty and misty but by 9.00 am the sun was out and it stayed out. The temperature was about 10 degrees and felt warmer in the sun.
Ethan did the first session in the car and initially the gearbox felt good. The Gripper was having a big impact on slower corners and the car was performing well. When we were back in the pit lane after the first session the first red flag of the day happened. There were only 6 red flags today which is a low number for Donington Park standards.
I went out for the next session and was enjoying the flowing track until there was another red flag. I finished off my session and thought that the gearbox did not feel as silky smooth as I expected it to be.
I now realise that our choice of Millers 75w110 oil for the gearbox was a bad decision. Over the course of the day the gearbox was difficult to use. You had to be patient when going up through the gears and it would crunch very slightly when being rushed with downshifts. We have decided go back to a normal grade gearbox oil and will change it before the next track day in 2 weeks time.
After we had both done a few sessions we both felt that the brakes were being too noisy and were causing very slight wheel vibrations. We took the front wheels off to have a look and confirmed that there was plenty of DS1.11 pad left, but the face of the Godspeed G hook discs looked knackered. There were no cracks in the discs but after the beating we have given then I think that they are just worn out. I haven't got a photo but there are clear veins on the discs from wear.
We carried on in the afternoon but after finishing a session just before 4pm we decided that the gearbox was not happy and if we pushed the Clio any harder then we might cause some permanent damage.
We very rarely finish a track day before the chequered flag but decided it was the right thing to do today. The Direzza track tyres have taken a beating today and might last one more track day if we are lucky. One of the tyres has a very small amount of delamination on the outer edge of the shoulder so if we do use it again it can stay on the rear axle.
The brakes sounded awful by the end of the day and Ethan nursed the car home our three hour journey back to Essex. Whilst on the way home we decided to fix the brake issue by ordering new brakes. We have ordered Godspeed G hook discs the front and rear, also DS1.11 pads for the front and rear. We have gone for a 330mm front discs and with some adapters from Godspeed to install a set of Megane 3 callipers in place of the Clio front callipers. The front pads we ordered are for the bigger Megane 3 calliper. We have had a set of Megane 3 callipers for nearly a year now but had not got round to installing them. The final item ordered was a calliper build kit to replace the seals on the Megane 3 callipers.
Ethan's best lap time of the day was a 1m 54s.
My best lap time was a 1m 58s. I lacked Ethan's confidence to take most of Craner's Curves in fifth gear at 110mph.
We have got Mallory Park booked for 2 weeks time so Ethan will be kept busy with a gearbox oil change and a complete brake overhaul over the next 14 days.
Overall it was a good day. Donington Park is a circuit that flows well and it is even better in the sun.
One thing I did noice about Donington today is that it has now lost its BMW branding and boards reading "M The Most Powerful Letter in the World". It is all now Hyundai branding.
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RSRowe
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Crap news about the box oil! Was worth a try though.
Going to be interesting to hear what you think of the megane upgrade over stock size.
Going to be interesting to hear what you think of the megane upgrade over stock size.
EthanMenace
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Not that I didn’t believe you, but it made a bigger difference than I thought it would
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av4625
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For what its worth I have always run the standard elf 75w80 with a plated diff and my gear changes have always been silky and the diff has been fine. But I don’t do trackdays, so my runs are shorter.
You should notice a massive difference with the Megane calipers and 330mm discs. Made a huge difference for me. The 2 piece godspeed discs are a good bit heavier though. The calipers are tight to the standard wheels. If you have any balancing weights near the outside they probably need removed. Keep that in mind before spinning the wheels!
You should notice a massive difference with the Megane calipers and 330mm discs. Made a huge difference for me. The 2 piece godspeed discs are a good bit heavier though. The calipers are tight to the standard wheels. If you have any balancing weights near the outside they probably need removed. Keep that in mind before spinning the wheels!
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