Yiannis' Albi Blue R27 - Toning down...

[Chris197F1]

I had a £420 max and they sold for £430 *phew*

 

[litchy]

Me to lol. Was winning the auction up to 3 hours to go then withdrew my bid.

I had a £420 max and they sold for £430 *phew*

430quid is a absolute bargain. The schricks takes the car onto another level. Downside is the power is further up the rev range but trust me, anyone who's driven in mine, says its a completely different car to standard. Given that they would cost 1000 quid alone plus map, its a lot for the outlay but the lumpy tickover is worth it alone. If I was spending the money again, would have gone down diff route maybe but certainly no regrets. Somebodys got a bargain.

 

[smoggy mark]

Good gains Yiannis!20bhp is making me want CAMS

 

[Yiannis197]

Thanks a lot for the comments guys. This is what happened with a bit more detail. When I took the car there on Wednesday I spoke to Tim (K-tec) and he said that even though they do a before and after run, they are a bit hesitant/concerned whether to have a before one or not because the car was due to belts. So given that they'd push it on the dyno to extract the best out of it they didn't want to come up with a snapped belt. I told them that I def want a before run because otherwise there is no point, so I had to sign a document basically taking full responsibility should the belt snapped on the dyno which I of course did (the car is still under warranty anyway so at some respect I wouldn't mind a new engine lol).

Anyway, I could have stayed there watching the whole process but it's all about priorities and my priority at that time was to drive back to London asap and catch up with friends over drinks in central enjoying the sunshine rather than standing in a workshop watching a fan going around. I left that to the specialists.

Next day I got there and Paul (who is the one who mainly developing the supercharged one and did the inlets for me) took me for a ride in the supercharged. We talked about loads of things and the 197s power output was of course amongst them. I was surprised when he mentioned that they have even seen 197s pulling 140 bhp lol and they do test/dyno loads of 197s I may add. So then I asked him how much power I was running stock but he didn't know since he wasn't the one doing my car. Something worth mentioning, the ride of the supercharged one was a bit naff so when I asked him what's the setup he started slagging H&R springs off (funnily enough without knowing that I'm running H&R springs) and commenting on how unbalancing the rear is and how H&R never managed to get it right with the renault suspension etc...and of course we agreed

When we got back, Andy was doing the power run of my car, very hot day as I mentioned, great gains with the induction kit they are developing at the moment but because it's not ready yet I stuck with the stock one. I took the car which was literally boiling, A/C on, stuck on M3's traffic and still the car was pulling very nicely. Win.

Agree but if it was me, I would like to know why the figure started so low.

So Litchy what do you reckon their answer at ''why my STOCK 07 plate (initial renault maps) R27 which does loads of granny traffic miles (which doesn't help either) only pulls 182 bhp on a boiling day'' would be mate? Probably laughter...
A recent example I have in memory is Chris' LY R27 which pulled exactly the same on RS rollers, WITH maxogen, exhaust and tb. Did anyone think that it was running low power?

I noticed there's been a few people once fitted them have thought about selling up quite soon after cause it doesn't solve the problem of low down grunt.

These who sold their cars after their quest for power/torque failed, didn't do their homework prior to buying a clio...

congrats on the 20bhp gain mate, never mind what it ended up at, the main thing is you paid to get some gains and you got them

Thanks Chris. Again, I'm not fussed about absolute numbers mate. The car would be the same if the output was 210 or even 190. The difference in gains is there, and I can tell you that, if I go back to Ktec and dyno the car again in a cool day it will def show more. When I drove the car next morning for work, 12C instead of 27 and A/C off it was SERIOUSLY flying. It was pulling like there is no tomorrow. Really impressed. Again, the before and after runs were under the same conditions which is very important. I wouldn't like a cool day on a before run and a hot day on an after if you know what I mean..

Good gains Yiannis!20bhp is making me want CAMS

Thanks mate. Don't it thought. You are running 200bhp anyway, it's not worth it if you are not on the 5th service IMO. It's a lot of money and it doesn't completely tranform the car, as I said it's not a ''life changing mod'' but it helps regaining lost power should you are running low

 

[s22jgs]

Something worth mentioning, the ride of the supercharged one was a bit naff so when I asked him what's the setup he started slagging H&R springs off (funnily enough without knowing that I'm running H&R prings) and commenting on how unbalancing the rear is and how H&R never managed to get it right with the renault suspension etc...and of course we agreed

Not what i wanted to read when im about to fit cup dampers and the H&R springs lol

 

[Yiannis197]

haha sorry mate. I thought you were coming to London for a ride

 

[Ellis]

Good gains from that! I'd be happy with them! Car looks sweet to matey! What headunit is that and where is the stalk control from I'm in the process of trying to find a new headunit!

 

[Yiannis197]

Good gains from that! I'd be happy with them! Car looks sweet to matey! What headunit is that and where is the stalk control from I'm in the process of trying to find a new headunit!

Thanks Ellis. The headunit is the Alpine IDA X305S. Bear in mind two things though.

1. The cable for stalk controls and car display is a bit expensive. You can find it here.

http://www.incarexpress.co.uk/view_product.php?partno=APFD102RE

2. This headunit doesn't have a bluetooth built in. It works with KCE 400 BT which is expensive and NOT that good. Echo and connectivity issues, alpine customer service is a joke. FACT. I wouldn't pay full price for that, we are talking around £230 for headunit and more than £100 for BT plus fitting if you can't do it yourslef. Expensive...I found the lot on ebay at a bargain price though

The headunit is supreme though. Media receiving and controling is absolutely spot on, needless to say it's the best on the market if you have an iphone/ipod. Hope that helps mate.

 

[s22jgs]

haha sorry mate. I thought you were coming to London for a ride

good point, i was..... i remember looking whether id have to pay congenstion to get to you and then completely forgot about it lol

 

[Ollie RS]

Did k tec mention when (roughly) the inuction kit is going to be released ??

 

[litchy]

Yiannas if your happy thats all that matters. Hot day/cold day RR and Ktec's views on H&R's....doesn't matter if your happy. I do wonder why Ktec would fit a suspension set-up that they were not happy with when they have a stockroom full of KW's or Eibach's for example?

Not knocking them but they do come out with some strange comments and excuses at times, in a different way to others out there?

 

[Yiannis197]

Did k tec mention when (roughly) the inuction kit is going to be released ??

No Ollie, they are still testing it I'm afraid mate. The one for the 172/182s is going to be released very shortly (probably next week) so I'm hoping that it's not gonna be long for the 197/200s.

Yiannas if your happy thats all that matters. Hot day/cold day RR and Ktec's views on H&R's....doesn't matter if your happy. I do wonder why Ktec would fit a suspension set-up that they were not happy with when they have a stockroom full of KW's or Eibach's for example?

Not knocking them but they do come out with some strange comments and excuses at times, in a different way to others out there?

I think you misunderstood me here mate. Ktec NEVER said my car would produce higher output should the temperatures were lower, neither said H&Rs are crap. The first comment came from me, experiencing my car on a hot day and on a cool morning. And that has been the case since the first day I got it. My clio seems to LOVE cooler temps and the difference in performance is quite noticeable. Am I alone here on this one? If so, I think my car has a problem.

Now regarding H&Rs, that comment came from a guy who works there, he by no means represents Ktec as such. The whole thing started by me negatively commenting on the car's setup (without knowing what that is) and he only expressed his personal opinion (obviously having driven every single possible setup due to the nature of his job). It just happened that we agreed that's all.

Now to answer your question as to why Ktec decide to fit H&R springs...well why not? The car is not being developed to be a lap record breaker so why would they fit an expensive coilover setup when they are developing a supercharger kit? That would be an extra expense IMO. They went for a good stance hence the lowering on H&Rs (eibachs don't lower that much as you of course know) and the low offset 18'' wheels. They are promoting their business using that car, they want it to look good and IMO it works.

A bit off subject mate, but how come you are thinking to upgrade to coilovers since you are happy with the H&R spring setup? I saw your thread in wanted section

 

[litchy]

Yiannis, its a bit boring just keep quoting me out of context. Half the stuff your suggesting, i never said. Then you use emotive words like CRAP. Read what I wrote. If your happy with it, what does it matter what I or anyone else thinks.

Funny, the guy that works for ktec gives his view but thats his own, then you start to tell me about the 'ins and outs' why they didn't fit coil-overs and that they are promoting their business car? Isn't that your view and really you don't know why they went for H&R's. Hey (Yiannis you might want to sit down), maybe ktec thinks its a decent set-up and thats why they have put them on their development car? You make reference to Ktec not fitting them to a development car for the extra expense....I can see Mr Ktec now saying 'Hmmm right...forge engine (check), supercharger (check), coilovers...(Turns all 'Mr T' on him) you crazy Fool, how much do you think I'm made of, just stick the s**t H&R's on. LOL

A bit on subject mate. I'm happy with the wife but there's always room for improvement and you should always consider your options (lol). The 197 is a great car standard, any improvement is a choice rather than necessity.

Yiannis your one funny guy!!!!

 

[Willis]

I can see Mr Ktec now saying 'Hmmm right...forge engine (check), supercharger (check), coilovers...(Turns all 'Mr T' on him) you crazy Fool, how much do you think I'm made of, just stick the s**t H&R's on.

Quoted for posterity. This actually just made my eyes leak.

 

[Fernandez]

Personally I don't see anything wrong with lowering springs, yes coilovers are better because they offer flexibility but firstly you netted to know what your doing to set them up correctly for each condition and secondly to really benefit for the cost you need to do quote a bit of track work.

Lowering springs offer a good compromise, I have apex springs, they are crashy on some roads but they are just doing their job and on the track they are excellent, much better than std cup springs.

Back on topic, great that you are pleased with the cams.. Still deciding which direction my engine is going but whatever happens it will get a set of italian cams thrown in for good measure.

 

[Yiannis197]

Hello guys, just a small note in the interior. When I got the gaiter back from Steve (Edge) after embroidering a smaller ''Renault Sport'' (didn't fancy the big one) I sent it straight to Simon (Sprayshack) to work his magic once again. I asked him to spray the middle trim (pearl athracite mix) but also I wanted a yellow note on the edge of the middle bit (the one you pull when selecting reverse). His work was exquisite once again. Here are some pictures.





And some more pics fitted











Also, suspension wise, AST sportline 2 with the higher rating springs ordered, I was expecting around 1 month delivery (made to order) only to be suprised when I found out they had one in stock! Good stuff indeed, I'm expecting a delivery this week, updates to come soon.

Again thanks for looking and all comments appreciated.

 

[Chris197F1]

Really good work there by Si and Steve, outcome is fantastic!

 

[Roy]

Looks the dogs nuts:jase2:

 

[Yiannis197]

Indeed, Simon and Steve did a fantastic job. Thanks a lot guys

 

[Willis]

I like that, looks smart and the pinstripe is a nice little touch.