The Definitive Rivals Thread...

Willis

Willis

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So I've got a few hours free and I'm in the mood and thought that this might be helpful/interesting for those of you into the ''numbers'' game;

Clio 197 FF;

BHP = 194
lb/Ft = 158
Weight KG = 1240
0-60 Seconds = 6.9
V-Max (Claimed) = 134
Power To Weight = 156

Clio 200 FF;

BHP = 197
lb/Ft = 159
Weight KG = 1240
0-60 Seconds = 6.8
V-Max (Claimed) = 141
Power To Weight = 158

Clio R3 Rally Car;

BHP = 230
lb/Ft = 180
Weight KG = 1080
0-60 Seconds = 5.0
V-Max (Claimed) = 130
Power To Weight = 213

Clio Cup Race Car;

BHP = 205
lb/Ft = 164
Weight KG = 1060
0-60 Seconds = 5.2
V-Max (Claimed) = 150
Power To Weight = 193

The following are the cars that are considered to be the natural rivals of the RS Clio III in terms of age, size and price. For this reason I have not inlcuded the 172 or 182 nor have I included the ''warm-hatch'' contenders such as the 133, 500, Swift or Lupo GTi. If you can think of any more, PM me and I'll update this list, the reason I say PM me is that it'll keep the thread a bit cleaner and easier for people to read without there being lines and lines of suggestions...

Figures in red denote better than 197 and 200.

Figures in blue denote better than 197.

Abarth Punto EVO;

BHP = 161
lb/Ft = 184
Weight KG = 1155
0-60 Seconds = 7.9
V-Max (Claimed) = 132
Power To Weight = 142

Abarth Punto Esseesse;

BHP = 180
lb/Ft = 200
Weight KG = 1155
0-60 Seconds = 7.5
V-Max (Claimed) = 134
Power To Weight = 155

Alfa Romeo MiTo 1.4TB;

BHP = 135
lb/Ft = 152
Weight KG = 1145
0-60 Seconds = 8.2
V-Max (Claimed) = 129
Power To Weight = 120

Alfa Romeo MiTo Cloverleaf;

BHP = 168
lb/Ft = 184
Weight KG = 1155
0-60 Seconds = 7.5
V-Max (Claimed) = 136
Power To Weight = 149

Audi A1 1.4TSi;

BHP = 182
lb/Ft = 184
Weight KG = 1190
0-60 Seconds = 6.9
V-Max (Claimed) = 141
Power To Weight = 155

Citroen DS3 1.6THP

BHP = 154
lb/Ft = 177
Weight KG = 1240
0-60 Seconds = 7.2
V-Max (Claimed) = 133
Power To Weight = 126

Citroen DS3 Racing

BHP = 204
lb/Ft = 203
Weight KG = 1240
0-60 Seconds = 6.5
V-Max (Claimed) = 146
Power To Weight = 167

FIAT Punto 1.9 JTDM;

BHP = 98
lb/Ft = 191
Weight KG = 1180
0-60 Seconds = 8.2
V-Max (Claimed) = 114
Power To Weight = 83

FIAT Punto T-Jet;

BHP = 120
lb/Ft = 152
Weight KG = 1140
0-60 Seconds = 8.9
V-Max (Claimed) = 121
Power To Weight = 105

Ford Fiesta ST;

BHP = 148
lb/Ft = 140
Weight KG = 1137
0-60 Seconds = 7.9
V-Max (Claimed) = 129
Power To Weight = 132

Ford Fiesta ST185 Mountune;

BHP = 185
lb/Ft = 147
Weight KG = 1137
0-60 Seconds = 6.9
V-Max (Claimed) = 129
Power To Weight = 165

Honda Civic Type-R EP3;

BHP = 197
lb/Ft = 145
Weight KG = 1204
0-60 Seconds = 6.8
V-Max (Claimed) = 146
Power To Weight = 166

Honda Civic Type-R FN2;

BHP = 198
lb/Ft = 142
Weight KG = 1267
0-60 Seconds = 6.8
V-Max (Claimed) = 146
Power To Weight = 158

MINI Cooper S;

BHP = 181
lb/Ft = 177
Weight KG = 1140
0-60 Seconds = 7.0
V-Max (Claimed) = 142
Power To Weight = 161

MINI Cooper SD;

BHP = 141
lb/Ft = 225
Weight KG = 1150
0-60 Seconds = 8.0
V-Max (Claimed) = 134
Power To Weight = 125

MINI Cooper S JCW Mk.1;

BHP = 189
lb/Ft = 199
Weight KG = 1130
0-60 Seconds = 7.6
V-Max (Claimed) = 145
Power To Weight = 170

MINI Cooper S JCW Mk.2;

BHP = 208
lb/Ft = 206
Weight KG = 1140
0-60 Seconds = 6.5
V-Max (Claimed) = 148
Power To Weight = 185

MINI Cooper S JCW GP;

BHP = 215
lb/Ft = 184
Weight KG = 1090
0-60 Seconds = 6.5
V-Max (Claimed) = 149
Power To Weight = 200

Peugeot 206 GTi;

BHP = 170
lb/Ft = 140
Weight KG = 1140
0-60 Seconds = 7.4
V-Max (Claimed) = 130
Power To Weight = 149

Peugeot 207 GTi;

BHP = 173
lb/Ft = 195
Weight KG = 1260
0-60 Seconds = 7.1
V-Max (Claimed) = 137
Power To Weight = 137

SEAT Ibiza FR;

BHP = 148
lb/Ft = 162
Weight KG = 1167
0-60 Seconds = 7.7
V-Max (Claimed) = 130
Power To Weight = 129

SEAT Ibiza FR TDI;

BHP = 141
lb/Ft = 236
Weight KG = 1245
0-60 Seconds = 8.2
V-Max (Claimed) = 131
Power To Weight = 115

SEAT Ibiza Cupra Mk.2;

BHP = 178
lb/Ft = 181
Weight KG = 1248
0-60 Seconds = 7.1
V-Max (Claimed) = 143
Power To Weight = 145

SEAT Ibiza Cupra Mk.3;

BHP = 178
lb/Ft = 184
Weight KG = 1172
0-60 Seconds = 6.9
V-Max (Claimed) = 140
Power To Weight = 154

Skoda Fabia VRS Mk.1;

BHP = 130
lb/Ft = 229
Weight KG = 1354
0-60 Seconds = 7.9
V-Max (Claimed) = 146
Power To Weight = 100

Skoda Fabia VRS Mk.2;

BHP = 197
lb/Ft = 206
Weight KG = 1218
0-60 Seconds = 7.3
V-Max (Claimed) = 139
Power To Weight = 148

Vauxhall Corsa VXR;

BHP = 189
lb/Ft = 192
Weight KG = 1166
0-60 Seconds = 6.8
V-Max (Claimed) = 140
Power To Weight = 165

Vauxhall Corsa VXR Nurburgring;

BHP = 202
lb/Ft = 206
Weight KG = 1166
0-60 Seconds = 6.5
V-Max (Claimed) = 143
Power To Weight = 176

Volkswagen Polo GTi Mk.5;

BHP = 178
lb/Ft = 184
Weight KG = 1184
0-60 Seconds = 6.8
V-Max (Claimed) = 142
Power To Weight = 153
 
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A2ON said:
Im a sunburt orange kinda man.
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I was to until I seen a green one in the flesh. Not as nice as AG but still bloody awesome.

Wheels are too big for me though. Would have to stick some 17s on for my liking.
 
VXRs get a bad rep for no reason. Imo, I see the same amount of chavs (100% wise) driving RS' as VXrs.
 
I think the Corsa got tar'd with the same brush as the Astra, which has always traditionally been a bit of a Barrycar even as far back as the GTE days...
 
Nice one will but I still think we are far the best looking and at the end of the day I still hate Vauxhalls and yes before anyone asks I have had 2.**** cars
 
I'd have a Vauxhall Corsa VXR Nurburgring tmw. I tell you, you don't get many Sheriffs driving bright yellow clio's (lol) but never bothered me....
 
Clio cup 200 actually weighs 1204kg 36kg lighter than a ff. Or go on fastestlaps.com would have saved you a heap of time lol
 
:rofl: @ Sherriff Litchy!!!

Yeah that's the thing that got me, it's certainly one of the heavier ones. Which to be honest makes the reviews and performance all the more impressive. Imagine how fast it'd be with 100KG shaved off!?! I think a 1100KG weight would be achievable if you were determined enough given that the Cup racers are round about 1050KG and at least 35KG of that will be cage...
 
I really like what you've done and for those interested in 0-60's and bhp it's great , but those figures only tell one side IMO.

The cup chassis (so handling, braking, cornering etc) is probably one of the best set ups on the cars listed, yet it can't be compared or rated in figures easily (suppose a track lap etc is the closest thing)

My old rallyes were only 103 bhp and 120 bhp would would wipe the floor with a lot of those cars above round a track or set of twisties.
 
I completely agree James. That's part of the point of it really, the Clio routinely comes top in reviews but on paper it's nowhere near top of the page when it comes to the ''numbers'' and is one of the heaviest as well. Unfortunately laptimes are a hard one on a list like this unless they've all been set by the same driver in similar weather conditions etc. then they don't really mean much.

I know what you mean about the Rallye, I had an S1 with a GTi lump among other goodies as my first car. :thumbup:
 
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