We went to Snetterton on Saturday for our first track day of 2025. It was a cheap £119 day run by MSV, in fact it was so cheap we took the Clio and @EthanMenace's Megane 250. Just for a bit of context his Megane is a 2010 model with a cup chassis and OEM LSD. It is mapped to about 300 bhp. It is on standard suspension with about 1 degree of negative camber at the front.

We got very lucky with the weather. Earlier in the week the forecast was thick fog and freezing temperatures, but it was a clear, dry day. It was cold but not subzero. The day was advertised as 9am until the light faded. What that really meant was 9am to just after 4pm.

After arriving about 8am and filing both cars at the nearby Esso petrol station with fuel we headed to the garage and started to set up the cars and swap road tyres for track tyres. Between trying to sort out the wheels, getting sound tested, doing an in person briefing and having breakfast we missed the usual sighting laps.

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I spent most of the day in the Ciio, and Ethan spent most of the day driving his Megane.

The first session was interesting as we decided to take off the 25mm spacers on the back of the car. I don't think that we have ever done a track day without spacers on the rear wheels. The rear of the car initially felt really skittish, but after a while the extra rotation in the rear made the car better to drive. By the end of the day I was enjoying the extra movement at the back of the car as it made it more nimble getting round corners.

As the morning went on it became clear that the third gear synchro had had enough and was starting to crunch. Even when I was trying to change gear and was being patient with the clutch depressed and slowly moving it in to gear it was still crunching. It was only third gear that had a problem. Despite the gearbox issue I thought sod it and kept ramming it in to gear.

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The track day was surprisingly busy and looked like it was full. There was a wide range of machinery being used from Porsches down to the usual Renaults. There was only one other 197/200. Just before lunch that had an accident and lost its front end. Most cars turned up on trailers and some teams were clearly using the track day as some winter practice. Track etiquette was okay apart from a few cars that just refused to let the Clio past.

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Ethan jumped in the Clio just before lunch for a 40 minute session and set a lap time of 2m 23s. That was about the same lap time he had managed in his Megane. The session was red flagged when a KA looked like it had bounced over a sausage curb at Coram and rolled over on to it's side.

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After lunch I took out the Megane and Ethan took out the Clio. Whilst it was very nice to have a car with turbo power and a higher top speed down the back straight (by 10 mph) but it did feel heavier and less nimble through most corners. I was probably driving the Megane a bit cautiously as I did not want to be responsible for any damage caused to it.

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In the afternoon Ethan had another stint in the Clio and set a respectable lap time of 2m 18.3s.


My best effort for the day was a 2m 26s. Slow and steady. I did have a good session in the afternoon with a GT86 and an EP3. I will have a look at the video we captured and see if was actually as good as I remember.

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As the sunlight faded the track day came to an end. We packed up the cars and had a look at the RaceBox data and compared laps from the Megane and the Clio. When Ethan was driving his best lap in the Megane was 2m 23s compared to the faster time in the Clio. The Megane is more powerful but it is just not set up for track work and does not have the same breaking power as the Clio.

We will need to get the gearbox refurbished again as the car was still crunching on the way home when it was being being driven carefully on the road. I do not think that an oil change is going to solve the problem. We have a "medium" Gripper in the car and may go for a more aggressive set of plates/ramps of whatever they are called when it is refurbished.

The journey with the CANchecked display is still progressing nicely. If you watch the YouTube video of Ethan's hot lap you will see that I have been able to extract some data that has been logged about temperatures, pressures and the gear that the car is using. We did have the TPMS sensors in the track wheels on Saturday but I have clearly not configured the sensors correctly as they were providing wild readings. I need to do some more research on the TPMS sensors.

It was good to do a track day as our last outing was in September 2024. The next track day that we have booked in Donington Park on 28th February 2025. We are doing the GP layout for the first time. Hopefully we will be able to sort out the gearbox by then.
 
Sounds like a good day despite the bitter cold.

The KA's always annoy me on track days as they always seem to cause a red flag at least once through out the day. Only time I've seen a crash on a trackday was caused by a KA refusing to let past a civic on slicks.
 
I think that this will be the first time ever that I do not buy some track day photographs. MSV managed to capture about 5 photos of the Clio - three of those photos are an identical side shot. I refuse to pay £9.50 per photo of the two good shots that were taken.

So, in the spirit of me being too tight to pay for a photo here is one that MSV owns the copyright to and the image is entirely their property.

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I managed to make some progress with the gearbox today. I have spoken to Alex at AW Motorworks and we should be able to get the box refurbished and back in to the car before the next track day.
 
Interesting to see the difference in times for the Clio / Megane.
Shame about the box, such a let down the Clio boxes but I guess you will be taking the box off yourselves?

Good job on the January track day! I’m still in winter mode and haven’t even thought about taxing mine.
 
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Interesting to see the difference in times for the Clio / Megane.
Shame about the box, such a let down the Clio boxes but I guess you will be taking the box off yourselves?

Good job on the January track day! I’m still in winter mode and haven’t even thought about taxing mine.
That's the plan, I've only ever removed the gearbox with the engine out of the car so it will be a learning experience...
 
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For anyone who is interested I have put our footage from Snetterton online.


My best session was this one where I spent time chasing a GT86 and an EP3 and found it reasonably easy to catch them on the corners but struggled to get past them on the straights.


This was @EthanMenace’s fastest session in the Clio.

 
Thoughts on your oil pressure? I think we have a very similar oil pressure sensor setup and I see over 4 bar at load (similar temps) I have ported my oil pump however I would still expect at least over 3 bar under load on standard, might be worth inspecting your pump.
 
Thanks Liam. We will investigate - it might be down to the way it was set up in the CANchecked display giving a lower reading than it really is.
 
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@EthanMenace removed the gearbox this afternoon.

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It really helps owning a Fench car to keep costs down by being able to do a lot of the labour intensive jobs at home.

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Before the box was taken out Ethan tested how knackered the Gripper was. He jacked up one side of the car so the other front wheel was still on the floor. He got a torque wrench on the lifted hub nut and started at 40nm and kept going up before he got any resistance. The Gripper clicked at 50nm. The Gripper should start, brand new, about 100 to 120nm.

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The box will get dropped off to Alex soon and will go back in the Clio with new synchros to deal with the third gear crunch, and some new aggressive Gripper plates.
 
Thoughts on your oil pressure? I think we have a very similar oil pressure sensor setup and I see over 4 bar at load (similar temps) I have ported my oil pump however I would still expect at least over 3 bar under load on standard, might be worth inspecting your pump.
I had a look at some of the Snetterton videos today and noticed that the oil pressure in the Clio was just under 3 bar when it was cold - and the oil was more viscous. The pressure dropped under load when it was warm and less viscous. 30 Minutes in to one session the oil pressure was reading was about 2.3 bar.

Should the oil pressure be about 3 bar when hot and under load? I cannot find much about Clio 200 oil pressures online other than most people say that they seem to have an unusually low oil pressure.
 
I’ve spoken with a cup race car owner and his oil pressure is 4.5bar on track when warm. I have been told the oil pressure is all over the place in the clio’s.
 
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I think that I have solved the oil pressure issue now. I spoke to CANchecked who make the digital display that we use. I double checked the settings with them for the oil pressure sensor and they said I had configured it incorrectly. I now have the right settings and when the gearbox is back in the car I can test out the oil pressure readings and hopefully I will get readings that are within the range it should be.

Ethan dropped off the gearbox yesterday and was chatting to Alex at AW Motorworks who also said that the oil pressure was low and a few possible causes could be a blocked oil pump or worn bearings. I had visions of the sump coming off, installing an uprated PMS oil pump and if that didn't work pulling the engine apart to check the bearings. Hopefully this will be resolved with some new settings on the digital display.

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Whilst the car is in bits @EthanMenace has removed the front suspension and has now rebuilt the suspension with the freshly refurbished hubs with new swivels and bearings. I am waiting for 10 new and slightly shorter studs to arrive from PMS to go in to these hubs. We had 83mm studs before and are changing to 75mm studs as the car no longer has 20mm spacers on the front.
 
I think that I have solved the oil pressure issue now. I spoke to CANchecked who make the digital display that we use. I double checked the settings with them for the oil pressure sensor and they said I had configured it incorrectly. I now have the right settings and when the gearbox is back in the car I can test out the oil pressure readings and hopefully I will get readings that are within the range it should be.

Ethan dropped off the gearbox yesterday and was chatting to Alex at AW Motorworks who also said that the oil pressure was low and a few possible causes could be a blocked oil pump or worn bearings. I had visions of the sump coming off, installing an uprated PMS oil pump and if that didn't work pulling the engine apart to check the bearings. Hopefully this will be resolved with some new settings on the digital display.

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Whilst the car is in bits @EthanMenace has removed the front suspension and has now rebuilt the suspension with the freshly refurbished hubs with new swivels and bearings. I am waiting for 10 new and slightly shorter studs to arrive from PMS to go in to these hubs. We had 83mm studs before and are changing to 75mm studs as the car no longer has 20mm spacers on the front.
I realise I am too late to the party now, but might help for the future. TRSUK sells the studs and you can pick the size yourself and is usually miles cheaper than buying a "kit" from shops etc. Having said this I haven't checked the price on PMS. I have had the studs on my clio for years and their black wheel. bolts on my Megane for a while now too.

Edit: Went to get you a link and the shop seems to have changed and they are now nearly £4 a stud, so not cheap anymore especially if you need nuts too :worried: sad

Edit2: Heres the link incase anyone is interested, nuts and bolts are still ok'ish price if anyone needs that (make sure you pick the right thread pitch and size): https://www.rybo.co.uk/products/screwing-stud-m12-x-1-25-black
 
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I realise I am too late to the party now, but might help for the future. TRSUK sells the studs and you can pick the size yourself and is usually miles cheaper than buying a "kit" from shops etc. Having said this I haven't checked the price on PMS. I have had the studs on my clio for years and their black wheel. bolts on my Megane for a while now too.
Thanks for the tip.

I ordered studs from PMS and did not bother with nuts to save some cash. But, I have just looked at TRS UK and the studs would have been about half the price if I had ordered from them.