Another R888 thread.....sorry
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pressures count for more than maybe u think, its pressures u got to think about when the tyre is hot and not when its cold
The way to tell is to see if a warm tyre is the same temp (to the touch) right the way across, warmer middle, pressures too high, warmer edges and cold middle, pressures too low
Hot or cold?
This is a sticky on another site I use, comes direct from Toyo themselves...
SET UP ADVICE FOR THE TOYO PROXES R888
What I would like to do is to offer some advice on tyre temperatures and pressures and how to achieve the best from our tyres when taking part in either trackdays or racing.
The R888 has a semi race construction (very stiff) and a race tread compound. The optimum tread temperature range is between 85C and 95C measured using a probe type pyrometer, and ideally a maximum difference across the tread of 9C. The maximum hot pressure we recommend is 40psi. Camber angles up to 5 degrees are permissible but the final setting will depend on tread temperatures. It is advisable to have as much positive castor as practical as castor induces a beneficial camber change during cornering. I recommend that the tyres be put through a heat cycle before hard use, this will scrub them in and remove any mold release agent.
The pressures you use will initially depend on the weight of the car, too little pressure on a heavy car can lead to over deflection of the tyre and subsequent failure.
Below are some basic settings:
VEHICLE WEIGHT COLD PRESSURE HOT PRESSURE
Very Light < 800kg 17 - 22 psi 22 - 29 psi
Light 800kg - 1000kg 20 - 26 psi 24 - 32 psi
Heavy 1000kg - 1400kg 23 - 27 psi 28 - 40 psi
Very Heavy > 1400kg 27 - 35 psi 37 - 40 psi
As a tyre gets hotter the pressure increases, this is due to the moisture in the air. The cold pressure you set to achieve a desired hot pressure will depend on the conditions on the day i.e. ambient and track temperature, wet or dry. If the day/track is cold you will need to start with a higher cold pressure as the tyre will not get as hot therefore the pressure increase will not be so great.
Hot pressures must be balanced side to side. Once the tyres have cooled you will find that you will have a difference in pressure side to side, if you have been racing on a right hand track you will find the offside pressures will usually be higher than the nearside.
Changing hot inflation pressures by small amounts can be used to fine tune handling.
Reduce Oversteer Reduce rear pressures or increase front pressures
Increase Oversteer Increase rear pressures or reduce front pressures
Reduce Understeer Reduce front pressures or increase rear pressures
Increase Understeer Increase front pressures or reduce rear pressures
Achieving the required tread temperatures will depend again on the conditions on the day i.e. ambient and track temperature, wet or dry.
You often here competitors saying “My tyres started to go of towards the end of the race”, this is usually due to the tread getting to hot.
The tread temperatures are constantly changing through out a race, hotter when cornering and cooler when on the straights and cooling even more when you are slowing to come into the pits. Therefore the temps you record in the pits will be lower than those during the race. So if you record temperatures within the range given above the probability is the temps will be too high during the race.
Increasing your tyre pressures will cause your tread temperatures to increase, more pressure stiffens the tyre’s casing which results in the tread having to do more work resulting in the tread getting hotter. Lowering your pressures will cause them to decrease.
Inevitably changing one thing will affect other things, the whole set up of your car is a compromise between anything that is adjustable.
Alan Meaker
Technical and Motorsport Manager Toyo Tyres (UK) Ltd
Ugh. Would never go for retreads no matter how cheap. Too many horror stories.
R888s - great track tire but a total waste on the street. They do grip something silly but they're less communicative, sound like jet engines, pick up all sorts of rocks & crap & you'll never even get em up to temp on the street. They'll probably go hard and lose grip before you wear them out due to high mileage street driving.
For fast street I'd look at something like AD08s, Hankook RS3s, Bridgestone RE-11s, Dunlop Z1 Star Specs, stuff like that.
R888s - great track tire but a total waste on the street. They do grip something silly but they're less communicative, sound like jet engines, pick up all sorts of rocks & crap & you'll never even get em up to temp on the street. They'll probably go hard and lose grip before you wear them out due to high mileage street driving.
For fast street I'd look at something like AD08s, Hankook RS3s, Bridgestone RE-11s, Dunlop Z1 Star Specs, stuff like that.
dangerdaz
Platinum Member
Cheers, reckon i'm gona go for AD08s, only £106 per tyre as well
Where u buying from for that price?
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