av4625
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New brembo HC front disks fitted and wheels aligned, absolutely no wobble when braking now.
Standard airbox is in, nightmare to get everything in right haha
I just need some ducting or something for the intake side where the accoustic valve would have been, i have no pipe coming out of the airbox there so that side will be sucking hot air.
Sounds so much better now, before there was just the standard flexy rubber hose from the throttle body and a ramair foam filter on the end, at high revs it sounded mental. Sounds better now, still loud enough with the non res scorpion.
Oil and filter done too, very awkward to get at the filter on the driveway!
Washed the car and then took it out for a spin on the backroads to dry the brakes, the PBS pads are good when cold, but holy moly, when they are hot the initial bite is mad haha. I’m going to have to get used to that. The megane 275 standard brakes are no where near as sharp, way more progressive.
Got these little stickers too which I think are cool!
Standard airbox is in, nightmare to get everything in right haha
I just need some ducting or something for the intake side where the accoustic valve would have been, i have no pipe coming out of the airbox there so that side will be sucking hot air.
Sounds so much better now, before there was just the standard flexy rubber hose from the throttle body and a ramair foam filter on the end, at high revs it sounded mental. Sounds better now, still loud enough with the non res scorpion.
Oil and filter done too, very awkward to get at the filter on the driveway!
Washed the car and then took it out for a spin on the backroads to dry the brakes, the PBS pads are good when cold, but holy moly, when they are hot the initial bite is mad haha. I’m going to have to get used to that. The megane 275 standard brakes are no where near as sharp, way more progressive.
Got these little stickers too which I think are cool!
av4625
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Today was my first sprint, a day I was so excited for and it couldn't have gone much worse :'( (I didn't crash though).
It started of damp/dry for the first 2 practice runs and after that it it rained really heavy and was quite wet for the timed runs.
I started off super slow (lol) to learn the track and where i was going, I then got 5 seconds faster in the next run and then faster in the first timed run even though it run was wetter than the one before. Even though I was getting faster I wasn't really close to others in my class, I didn't expect to be close to the M3, or Megane 250 or some other fast cars but expected to be closer to the other Clio and some other cars. I know the guy in the other Clio is a very good driver though, so didn't expect to be super close to him. His best time was 127secs and mine was 141secs. That seems like a massive gap.
I have always said since I got the Clio that it was dead and had no power. I was told before getting it that it would feel slow as I have a 275 Megane as a daily. So I always put it down to me being used to the power of the Megane and thats why I thought it was dead. I know its easy to blame the car because I was slow and most people will think that but I expected to be slow but just not that far off the pace. I used to be a factory sponsored RC driver so understand racing lines and cars handling. I couldn't even pass a lorry on the way to the track this morning in a place I always pass slower cars even in my 1.6 litre petrol Megane I had ages ago.
So when I got home I jumped in mum's Mazda CX3, it also has a NA 2 litre petrol engine but 110bhp. I put the foot down and jeepers it put me in the back of the seat. Her car feels much more powerful. I was like screw this, took the Clio out to a road where I could test 0-60. I had 2 attempts, first time was 10.83 secs, and second was 9.95 secs. My Clio has the old gearbox. I know 0-60 is a hard test as its hard to time and hard to start right but thats wayyyyy to slow and only one gear change. I was able to get within 0.5secs of the quoted figure for my Megane. Oh on the way home too dad and I came out of a roundabout and I could just about get along side him then he lifted off to let me past lol, he has a 1.6 diesel Peugeot 308.
What would cause this? The car has 95000 miles, a standard manifold, non res scorpion exhaust, standard airbox with new ramair filter, with no acoustic valve, the little pipes that the connect to the controller to control the acoustic valve are gone and the bit for that is blocked near the throttle body. New spark plugs went in last night, the ones that came out looked ok. New oil and filter too.
What could the issue be?
(Doesn't seem to burn oil)
Then the saddest part of the day, I was queued up to go out for one of my runs and a guy reversed into me, I didn't see it happening as it was to the back and side of the car and I had a full face helmet on.
Not trying to rip on the guy here as he was very apologetic.
So pretty disheartened by the whole day, was still fun being on track though.
A red bollard blew across in front of me this run lol making the next corner super tight but it was a good pic!
It started of damp/dry for the first 2 practice runs and after that it it rained really heavy and was quite wet for the timed runs.
I started off super slow (lol) to learn the track and where i was going, I then got 5 seconds faster in the next run and then faster in the first timed run even though it run was wetter than the one before. Even though I was getting faster I wasn't really close to others in my class, I didn't expect to be close to the M3, or Megane 250 or some other fast cars but expected to be closer to the other Clio and some other cars. I know the guy in the other Clio is a very good driver though, so didn't expect to be super close to him. His best time was 127secs and mine was 141secs. That seems like a massive gap.
I have always said since I got the Clio that it was dead and had no power. I was told before getting it that it would feel slow as I have a 275 Megane as a daily. So I always put it down to me being used to the power of the Megane and thats why I thought it was dead. I know its easy to blame the car because I was slow and most people will think that but I expected to be slow but just not that far off the pace. I used to be a factory sponsored RC driver so understand racing lines and cars handling. I couldn't even pass a lorry on the way to the track this morning in a place I always pass slower cars even in my 1.6 litre petrol Megane I had ages ago.
So when I got home I jumped in mum's Mazda CX3, it also has a NA 2 litre petrol engine but 110bhp. I put the foot down and jeepers it put me in the back of the seat. Her car feels much more powerful. I was like screw this, took the Clio out to a road where I could test 0-60. I had 2 attempts, first time was 10.83 secs, and second was 9.95 secs. My Clio has the old gearbox. I know 0-60 is a hard test as its hard to time and hard to start right but thats wayyyyy to slow and only one gear change. I was able to get within 0.5secs of the quoted figure for my Megane. Oh on the way home too dad and I came out of a roundabout and I could just about get along side him then he lifted off to let me past lol, he has a 1.6 diesel Peugeot 308.
What would cause this? The car has 95000 miles, a standard manifold, non res scorpion exhaust, standard airbox with new ramair filter, with no acoustic valve, the little pipes that the connect to the controller to control the acoustic valve are gone and the bit for that is blocked near the throttle body. New spark plugs went in last night, the ones that came out looked ok. New oil and filter too.
What could the issue be?
(Doesn't seem to burn oil)Then the saddest part of the day, I was queued up to go out for one of my runs and a guy reversed into me, I didn't see it happening as it was to the back and side of the car and I had a full face helmet on.
Not trying to rip on the guy here as he was very apologetic.
So pretty disheartened by the whole day, was still fun being on track though.
A red bollard blew across in front of me this run lol making the next corner super tight but it was a good pic!
Wow what a day! Sorry to hear about your prang. That’s just horrible!
Performance wise you definitely need to get to a reputable dyno/mapper to get the car checked out. EFi or RStuning or Engine Dynamics seem to be the main protagonists for Renault Sports.
Good luck. Be interested in your findings
Performance wise you definitely need to get to a reputable dyno/mapper to get the car checked out. EFi or RStuning or Engine Dynamics seem to be the main protagonists for Renault Sports.
Good luck. Be interested in your findings
av4625
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The guy that did it just said he would sort it thankfully.
Sadly I live in Northern Ireland, would love to take to one of the above for a map too after its fixed.
I have a video, thats uploading currently and you can see that there is no get up and go in it. (and my bad driving and start haha), will upload here soon
I'm sure I've read of people having faulty cam sensors and the car feeling really underpowered and making less than it should be.
I guess another thing to check would be timing maybe?
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I guess another thing to check would be timing maybe?
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I think ignoring the power issues that a lot of your problem was tyre related. I used them last year and they were useless. They just don’t heat up at all.
Has your car has a timing belt recently? A lot of people don’t have the tools or knowledge to set the timing on these engines correctly so may be worth looking into that.
Has your car has a timing belt recently? A lot of people don’t have the tools or knowledge to set the timing on these engines correctly so may be worth looking into that.
I agree with what bbsboy said. I have recently been to RS Tuning for a remap. The car was pretty uninspiring to drive before hand. Lots of flat spots and things. At a steady speed just shy of 4k it could suddenly lose power like the engine had cut out, no low down pick up so always feeling that I needed a lower gear and just was hard work. It also seemed to have no rush to the redline for what should be quite a cammy engine. On track against other 200 bhp cars, the way the drove away from it felt like it was 30 to 40 bhp down, so the slightly smug feeling of finding it made 170 on the dyno slightly offset the disappointment of the figure. The fueling curve looked pretty shocking. Paul found another 7 horses, which again is a disappointment but said he thought the timing was out and there should be another 10 if that was spot on. So 177 is still somewhat disappointing at the moment, but the car drives so, so much better. While not over indowed with torque it now has it through the rev range allowing corners to be negotiated in 3rd rather than second and the car will pull through. The engine feels much stronger. It still does have the sort of VVT rush or even just peaky cam charge to the red line that I would expect or know from other cars but is so much better.
Also as is said with the tyres, if you used the NS-2R they have their place. In the right conditions it can be decent but certainly not on a cold wet track. I sold many of the "soft" "Track" compound (which is no longer made) to MX-5 competitors in the Lowland Speed championship in Scotland. They seemed to get on well with them but I believe we're comparing to the AO48 which I would certainly not class as first choice for a wet sprint. The NS-2R, and all these tyres need heat to do what they are paid for. In the dry and temperature it can give good grip and positive turn in but shrieks a lot and does not have the progression of some, so is snappy. You would need more than 140 seconds to get any heat in the rears. It the wet, while they are better than some of the more track focused tyres because the greater tread pattern and depth will ship more water you always know you are on a slidy tyre that is just waiting to let go. Get a second set of rims with Rainsport's for the wet and damp, even just the cold.
Also as is said with the tyres, if you used the NS-2R they have their place. In the right conditions it can be decent but certainly not on a cold wet track. I sold many of the "soft" "Track" compound (which is no longer made) to MX-5 competitors in the Lowland Speed championship in Scotland. They seemed to get on well with them but I believe we're comparing to the AO48 which I would certainly not class as first choice for a wet sprint. The NS-2R, and all these tyres need heat to do what they are paid for. In the dry and temperature it can give good grip and positive turn in but shrieks a lot and does not have the progression of some, so is snappy. You would need more than 140 seconds to get any heat in the rears. It the wet, while they are better than some of the more track focused tyres because the greater tread pattern and depth will ship more water you always know you are on a slidy tyre that is just waiting to let go. Get a second set of rims with Rainsport's for the wet and damp, even just the cold.
av4625
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I did think about timing, would it idle badly if the timing was out?
I do agree the tyres aren’t great but I didn’t even have enough power to spin the wheels in the wet lol. But did push the nose in places.
Its weird as the car doesnt suddenly lose power or do anything weird. It sounds and idles ok, doesnt smell weird or have any weird smoke or anything. Thats why i thought thats the way they were. But defo not after watching peoples videos on 0-60 and 0-100 pulls online.
I do agree the tyres aren’t great but I didn’t even have enough power to spin the wheels in the wet lol. But did push the nose in places.
Its weird as the car doesnt suddenly lose power or do anything weird. It sounds and idles ok, doesnt smell weird or have any weird smoke or anything. Thats why i thought thats the way they were. But defo not after watching peoples videos on 0-60 and 0-100 pulls online.
Remember these are fly by wire throttle and that absolutely kills standing starts due to delay which causes the the car to bog down. They are heavy old things too but you can get weight out of them, I did and that was without making the car appear stripped out to conform to sprinting regs. Get the best tyres you can which meet your championship regs. I would highly recommend DZ03G.
Also get the car on the rollers. This will help you establish if there is an issue without speculating which can lead to spending money without need and give you a true picture of where it’s at.
If you want advice on getting these set up pretty well for sprinting and hill climbing give me a PM.
Also get the car on the rollers. This will help you establish if there is an issue without speculating which can lead to spending money without need and give you a true picture of where it’s at.
If you want advice on getting these set up pretty well for sprinting and hill climbing give me a PM.
Anything I say is purely conjecture but the engine seems to be getting to the red line but much like I feel with mine, the hardening of the revs at 5k does not result in any extra urge. I am not sure if you are in second or third for many of the corners but there are a few times where you can hear the engine bogged down in lower revs in the tighter corners (I assume this is a Kart circuit as it's pretty tight) and you will have lost close to 3 seconds to your ideal time in the left part of the chicane at the start of the second lap with the recovery, loss of speed and then the slow pick-up
This video shows similar conditions. I'm in the MX-5 at around the 1 minute mark. The car is on Rainsport as is it's sister car that turns up later. It shows the difference between "track rubber" (and using a wet line) and tyres designed for wet. I am blocked due to the volume of traffic in later corners but given that many of the cars are higher classes with at least 60bhp/tonne more power, and given that a lap of Snetterton would not be too dissimilar in time from what you did, and you had a lot more corners, then you can see that 10 seconds is not in anyway unreasonable to be giving away.
This video shows similar conditions. I'm in the MX-5 at around the 1 minute mark. The car is on Rainsport as is it's sister car that turns up later. It shows the difference between "track rubber" (and using a wet line) and tyres designed for wet. I am blocked due to the volume of traffic in later corners but given that many of the cars are higher classes with at least 60bhp/tonne more power, and given that a lap of Snetterton would not be too dissimilar in time from what you did, and you had a lot more corners, then you can see that 10 seconds is not in anyway unreasonable to be giving away.
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Heard a lot of people with the same issue of being way down on power and around 10sec 0-60 times fix it with a camshaft position sensor. Dad got his friends diagnostic computer thing, it threw up a camshaft position sensor fault. So bought a sensor, a light weight pulley and going to get all belts and dephaser done.
It also wouldn’t start the other day, battery was always low, so put a new one in, and then it sounded like the starter was away. The garage i bought it off said they got a “renault specialist” to put a new starter in it. On further inspection the positive wire was just sitting on the starter terminal, they forgot to put the nut on. Im lucky the car didnt go in fire.
Hopefully it goes well after all this, a good bit of work will be done to it then.
It also wouldn’t start the other day, battery was always low, so put a new one in, and then it sounded like the starter was away. The garage i bought it off said they got a “renault specialist” to put a new starter in it. On further inspection the positive wire was just sitting on the starter terminal, they forgot to put the nut on. Im lucky the car didnt go in fire.
Hopefully it goes well after all this, a good bit of work will be done to it then.
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Sorry to hear about the sprint at Kirkistown, Aaron! I’m sure you feel disheartened by the whole thing!
Why don’t you get the car on the dyno to see what figure it is putting out? G-Sport cars have a rolling road day on the 30th March - might be worthwhile you booking onto it?
What tyres where you running also?
Regarding the above comments about timing, give me a shout as I have the man for the job who will look into (and rectify) that for you if required.
Sorry to hear about the sprint at Kirkistown, Aaron! I’m sure you feel disheartened by the whole thing!
Why don’t you get the car on the dyno to see what figure it is putting out? G-Sport cars have a rolling road day on the 30th March - might be worthwhile you booking onto it?
What tyres where you running also?
Regarding the above comments about timing, give me a shout as I have the man for the job who will look into (and rectify) that for you if required.
av4625
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I hope to have the work done by then
. I have a guy organised to do it, he has a clio and the locking tools and all! Thanks though!Was running Nankang NS-2R, they defo werent helping but werent the main problem!
Hope to be at nutts corner on April 6th
