Is supercharging a "real" option???

[litchy]

Still yet to be done successfully although Jamie at Jamsport is suppose to be close. Just out of interest...who would put 4 grand into a 197 to supercharge it??? Speaking from experience after supercharging a 330, paying the 4 grand is just the begining. They are never plug n' play. How long before clutches and gearboxes start giving up the ghost. I know its been discussed to death but couldn't you put a meg 225 engine in for the same money...including buying the engine...and youtube tells us this can be done. Remap, larger intercooler 250+ brake?????

 

[Mike]

I THINK Woody maybe doing this to his car, not sure.

Wonder what will happen?!

 

[Jonesy]

If it was easy Jamsport woyld of completed it by now, have they?? Erm no, problem u got that Jamsport still day is wrong is that the clio ecu won't run possive pressure, speak to Renault, Matt at tdf, or paul at rs tuning

 

[Richy_Boy]

Not a REAL option in my opinion, unless you want to throw a bucket full of money at the car with forged pistons and con rods... great for the dreamers maybe. The 200 engine is just too higer compression ratio to work well.

I would also, personally, opt for a megane engine conversion over trying to turbo/SC the original clio 200 engine too.

JAMsport are taking an age getting this working, which to me means the engine is either too delecate and they're pussy-footing around tyring to map it, or they've hit major problems. A week or so to map the car.. then do a few weeks road testing, then a fine tweak of the map and a few track days should see it done and dusted IMO.

If you want big figures, then you're better off chopping your 200 in for a Megane 250..

Rich

 

[litchy]

Jamsport are not on their own I think......

 

[Richy_Boy]

Agreed.. I thinhk everyone is finding the limit of the engine/ECU when trying it..

 

[litchy]

Funny thing is I bought the 330 cause at the time M3's were 30 grand. After 4 years of moddin', the 330 was pushing the same power as a M3. The money I spent to get there, could have driven the 330 for 2 years and then bought the M3 anyway. Although the money doesn't tell half the story.....Its an expensive game if you don't know how your going to get there. There are too many tuners out there who will happly take your money on 'empty' promises. You ended up being the guinea pigs and paying for it. Theres many who ended up with a garage full of parts they didn't need and a car that runs like s**t.

It may eventually happen but I get the feeling, the car may spend more time with the respectful tuner than actually enjoying the experience....and all that for 4 grand+. I went to chip wizards (rochdale) with the Renny. Wayne actually got my 330sc running right. I asked him to custom map it and he would even take my money of me. This is a man who gets flown to Germany to map Porsches and the last time I went there, he'd just mapped the new 150 grand 500 brake Atom. He said enjoy the car, get it on a track and leave the engine well alone.

 

[Arran]

From what I have read and seen, this 2.0 should be left alone. Althought the Megane engine conversion does seem viable. But is it really worth all the time and money?

 

[litchy]

From what I have read and seen, this 2.0 should be left alone. Althought the Megane engine conversion does seem viable. But is it really worth all the time and money?

Only if I was capable of doing the work myself and had the space and the time to do this project. To out source it, your taking 5 grand easy. Would sooner put that to the next family car, a S3 sportback.

 

[Gouldy]

Super charging isn't an option for me.

IMO the Renault sports clios are naturally aspirated high reving engines and they should stay that way.

Get lairy cams and ITBs with forged pistons. Should see 200hp plus at the wheels if set up and mapped correctly.

 

[GrumpyTwig]

I'd think I'd rather buy another car, from reading Woody's project along with others it just seems too much hassle.

Looking at the gains my brother is hoping for from his Golf with just a remap even attempting to get more power out of the Clio seems like a complete money pit.

Save the money imo

 

[ben_r1]

Clio engine is too high compression for supercharging, perhaps with an aftermarket standalone ecu a low boost system would work.

Throttle body kit all the way but nobody seems interested in the developement.

 

[Sean]

Clio engine is too high compression for supercharging, perhaps with an aftermarket standalone ecu a low boost system would work..

Unfortunately not

 

[MikeLYR27]

Not a REAL option in my opinion, unless you want to throw a bucket full of money at the car with forged pistons and con rods... great for the dreamers maybe. The 200 engine is just too higer compression ratio to work well.

I would also, personally, opt for a megane engine conversion over trying to turbo/SC the original clio 200 engine too.

JAMsport are taking an age getting this working, which to me means the engine is either too delecate and they're pussy-footing around tyring to map it, or they've hit major problems. A week or so to map the car.. then do a few weeks road testing, then a fine tweak of the map and a few track days should see it done and dusted IMO.

If you want big figures, then you're better off chopping your 200 in for a Megane 250..

Rich

I know jamsport, they dont have all day everyday to spend mapping the clio. They deal with loads of fords and have been very busy with shows and have had loads of work in. They dont have the 200 in the workshop all week to map it or loads of staff to spend on t all the time. it will be done, just gonna be some time. Ive heard it and it sounds awesome!

 

[litchy]

From what I have read and seen, this 2.0 should be left alone. Althought the Megane engine conversion does seem viable. But is it really worth all the time and money?

I know jamsport, they dont have all day everyday to spend mapping the clio. They deal with loads of fords and have been very busy with shows and have had loads of work in. They dont have the 200 in the workshop all week to map it or loads of staff to spend on t all the time. it will be done, just gonna be some time. Ive heard it and it sounds awesome!

Time is money.....They would appear to be closer than most though!!!!

 

[clio200cup]

i was just going to say, jampsport aren't employed to solely develop that s/c kit, they are a hugely busy ford specialist.
for me, i think it is worth seeing the outcome before starting to voice opinion on what the car can or can not achieve.

stu.

 

[Gouldy]

Clio engine is too high compression for supercharging, perhaps with an aftermarket standalone ecu a low boost system would work.

Throttle body kit all the way but nobody seems interested in the developement.

As far as I'm aware throttle body kits are available for the earlier 1*2s.

I can't see why these wouldn't fit the 197, an inlet might have to be made up though if the port spacings are different on the 197s

 

[mark_1873]

ITB's aren't needed with the 197/200 engine. The inlet manifold is good enough for 250bhp ( R3 maxi )

Take a look at Simoxmino's project thread, he's on the standard inlet manifold all be it not a factory one but an Oreca item with a cable throttle body.

It's still a lot of cash to get a power gain and imo it'll never be a decent power gain. It might seem good on paper 190bhp up to 230bhp but with the money it costs...

Your best going down the free power route and doing some weight saving.

 

[Gromb200]

I think it is just a waste of money, and if you did have it done I bet you woud have no end of problems after.
Save the money and just buy a faster car next time round! :thumpup:

 

[Rick197]

Although i would love to supercharge the 197 it just dosen't seem worth the time or money imo. I think dropping a different lump is would be easier and more cost effective.