You know what, I'd rather go and buy the ST if they're the same price. Bad move Renault.....
Yep, completely agree. I know the Clio will be more "chuck-able" but the focus is a HELL of a lot more car for the money.
You know what, I'd rather go and buy the ST if they're the same price. Bad move Renault.....
I think you're right, those white ones look great, not so keen on the black though.
Really? Is that all it takes to make it a great drivers car? For me, a gear stick and a clutch pedal just get in the way of a good drive.
The new clio is going to be head and shoulders above the 197/200. People need to deal with it! 18 - 22k is the going rate for a hot hatch surely????
dont forget its only a 197/200 underneath - its using the same chassis/floorpan
REALLY!!!??? do you read EVO lol....these cars are celebrated because they have a manual box, same goes for the gt3. Manual makes things more of challenge meaning that when you get it right its more rewarding. Put it this way, in flappy box if you go into corner in too higher gear its no big deal, just flick the paddle and its sorted. No such luxury in a manual. No flappy box'd car can be a true drivers car IMO.
Define better? If you mean lap time then yeah it will most likely be faster, but as i drivers car we'll have to wait for the road test etc but it doesn;t have the ingredients to be from what we've seen.
I hope i'm proven wrong and the new 200T is an epic car, as i want renault sport to do well but at the moment its not looking promising, but time will tell.
By better I mean, faster, lighter, better equipped, better mpg, better interior. I'm with you on the auto box. Not a fan myself but I've yet to drive a bad RS.
Has Renault got it wrong? Time will tell, I'd say yes.
So where is the ''driver's car'' factor on the above?
You are spot on there mate, you really are. But personally I didn't buy my 197 for mpg, neither for the interior nor for its technology/equipment (or lack of). MK4 being faster....well, RS3 is faster than 135M on track but BMW gives the smiles while the audi understeers like crazy so again, mk4 being faster doesn't say a thing to me.
I'm not saying the new clio's handling will be awful of course, far from that, but as a fact it lacks the basic ingredients as Roger200 said so it can't be as rewarding as the mk3 one.
I understand Renault's move of course, but that doesn't mean it appeals to me, and to loads of other people according to what I read on several forums...
Has Renault got it wrong? Time will tell, I'd say yes.
not so much renault but WE are the WRONG customers now for the clio4 rs...
they want some of the audi/bmw/mini/vw "premium small sports hatch" market - not the macdonalds carpark brigade :rofl:
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