Manchester MEN attack

[nutnutwelshman]

Look unless we have a complete news black out we just feed the haters

 

[Chris]

you dont see this happening in other countries?????? do you watch the news???? happens all the time......most of the world is not interested......

Did you read my post? I was referring to certain countries, Russia, China, Australia, why? Because they don't get the chance for this to happen. And you said yourself most of the world is not interested, my point was to make a change and make ours so it is.

 

[Big Ben]

For me, the very first thing to do is a full media blackout. Our desire for what is essentially voyeurism to read all about these things and say how terrible it is, should be ABSOLUTELY overridden by the unarguable need to not give these events the coverage these evil hate-filled twats want. Remembering the dead is obviously important but that can be done by families and friends obviously. Giving the terrorists the glory they seek is utter madness and will only ever inspire more to do similar.

It's easy to feel hate and anger towards them, but what action can we take other than showing solidarity? Responding in kind is simply not an option in my eyes (not at all saying that's what you were suggesting mate, just to be clear!). If we can guarantee that only terrorists would be harmed in any action we take, cool, kill the twunts with zero remorse. But to retaliate in a fashion which puts the lives of other innocent people at risk would make us as bad as them.

Of course, it really doesn't help matters when America comes bounding in like the cock of the world and gets involved with things they don't properly understand while our government stands behind them like a pathetic little brother. How long until Trump does something that strings us all up without a moment of consideration? Nor does it help when we invite these people into our country with zero due diligence done and give them all the tools they need to breed hate. Look at that hook handed Hamza bloke, how long did the collective we contribute our hard earned to help him to recruit easily mislead kids so they can carry out his evil wishes? It's just insane. We're our own worst enemy sometimes.

I'm in agreement with most of what your saying Mes.

So with a media blackout we wouldn't be talking about this incident because we'd be none the wiser? Never going to happen is it, not in this day and age mate.

Bring back Maggie T:excited:

 

[///M]

I'm in agreement with most of what your saying Mes.

So with a media blackout we wouldn't be talking about this incident because we'd be none the wiser? Never going to happen is it, not in this day and age mate.

Bring back Maggie T:excited:

Of course mate, can't stop social media, however, if it's made clear to people that it is frowned upon, there would be a hell of a lot less talk about it. As for the press, that should just be locked down already. Pass a new law, do whatever they need. Just don't give this scum the exposure they crave.

 

[Dmonk197]

Did you read my post? I was referring to certain countries, Russia, China, Australia, why? Because they don't get the chance for this to happen. And you said yourself most of the world is not interested, my point was to make a change and make ours so it is.

People stick their head in the ground and pretend it does not concern them.....UK is too political correct.......im sorry but if you are covered head to toe you are suspicious, its not racist or targeting its simply suspicious and UK need to be less PC- UK also dont do profiling in the airport as they are scared to "offend" someone suspicious .

without checking Australia has very strict laws and i recall there was still a shooting not long ago in a cafe shop in Melbourne.....

 

[Jimmy]

Really dreadful news, it's scary when it starts happening more and more. Found out today that a work colleague was there with her 14 year old daughter - who sadly was one of the people killed.

I agree on the media coverage of it - too many column inches given to the perpetrators, and the fact that they're 'celebrating' it. Do we really need to know that they're doing this - what good does that do, apart from create more anger?

And partially as a result of that anger, the casual racists in society will start talking that little bit louder, because they feel it's justified... As said above, how long before innocent people are tarred with the same brush, just because they are part of the ethnic minority? Why should they walk around, feeling frightened eyes on them?

 

[///M]

Really dreadful news, it's scary when it starts happening more and more. Found out today that a work colleague was there with her 14 year old daughter - who sadly was one of the people killed.

I agree on the media coverage of it - too many column inches given to the perpetrators, and the fact that they're 'celebrating' it. Do we really need to know that they're doing this - what good does that do, apart from create more anger?

And partially as a result of that anger, the casual racists in society will start talking that little bit louder, because they feel it's justified... As said above, how long before innocent people are tarred with the same brush, just because they are part of the ethnic minority? Why should they walk around, feeling frightened eyes on them?

Starting to feel like the seemingly amateur way our country deals with this shit isn't so amateur and is in fact part of some massively screwed up policy.

 

[Pav]

I am so sorry to hear that @Jimmy ..there are no words to describe how I feel now..Until now I didnt know anybody who were there..Must be absolutely awful to find out..Hope you are ok..
as we all know these suicide bombers are celebrated so publicly naming them isnt really helping..
@Big Ben you had a point there..probably not a lot anyone could do in case you decide to do something horrible...

 

[Johnny 99]

Such a terrible thing, however I don't think a news blackout is the way to go. Social media will mean both information & misinformation get out. The press need the freedom to name the perpetrators of such atrocities though perhaps once the names are out there perhaps they could be dropped from reports after a day or two.

So glad to see the Mancunians pulling together regardless of race & religion to show contempt for the actions of misguided, maybe even brainwashed, fanatics whose actions are not backed up by the philosophies of the religion they purport to follow.

Living in Scotland my thoughts tonight are particularly with the families of two teenage girls from the Isle of Barra in the outer Hebrides, a totally different world from the city of Manchester. Such a quiet, special place on the outer edges of the UK. They were at the gig. One girl (15) has been found in a hospital in Manchester while her 14 year old friend is still unaccounted for.

We must stand up to terrorism, but we must not let it destroy our way of life or affect our actions. I have concerts in Glasgow & London in the next couple of months. I will go, I will be aware of the potential risks, but I will also bear in mind that the chances of getting caught up in anything like this are still very slight.

My thoughts & prayers are with all those affected by this tragedy, but let's carry on living our lives & refuse to let these b*****ds grind us down.

 

[LOCKE]

If and when you vote on the 8th June think hard - are the politicians protecting us OR was it the politicians that have got us into this mess? Do you think we can send troops over to occupy other countries and think there will be no retaliation?

 

[Dmonk197]

If and when you vote on the 8th June think hard - are the politicians protecting us OR was it the politicians that have got us into this mess? Do you think we can send troops over to occupy other countries and think there will be no retaliation?

Its not retaliation- Muslims want to punish the west for not being Muslims and for living in sin, the fundamental problem is the extremist who take it upon themselves to play god and punish anyone who is a sinner (the west)- there is no end, they will only stop once the world has been converted to Islam...

 

[BenAG200]

If and when you vote on the 8th June think hard - are the politicians protecting us OR was it the politicians that have got us into this mess? Do you think we can send troops over to occupy other countries and think there will be no retaliation?

Why were our troops "occupying" other countries?

 

[Big Ben]

Why were our troops "occupying" other countries?

"Team America"

 

[BenAG200]

"Team America"

Why were "Team America" "occupying" other countries then?

 

[///M]

Such a terrible thing, however I don't think a news blackout is the way to go. Social media will mean both information & misinformation get out. The press need the freedom to name the perpetrators of such atrocities though perhaps once the names are out there perhaps they could be dropped from reports after a day or two.

Couldn't disagree more with this John. Millions more see the news than they would see a specific post on social media. The more see it, the more likely it is that they will feel inspired / empowered to do similar. We're basically helping them by publicising it and we should stop doing it immediately.

 

[///M]

Its not retaliation- Muslims want to punish the west for not being Muslims and for living in sin, the fundamental problem is the extremist who take it upon themselves to play god and punish anyone who is a sinner (the west)- there is no end, they will only stop once the world has been converted to Islam...

That's reading as a shocking generalisation and I'm sure you don't mean it. "Some" Muslims would be a much better way to put it. Some English people commit atrocious acts that doesn't for one minute mean all English people are evil. Same logic applies here. I know a lot of Muslim folk, at work and in my personal life. Sure they have very different beliefs to me but they're all, not one excluded, lovely, kind, considerate people who have never once questioned the way I lead my life, nor tried to impose their views on me.

Their religion is not what drives this. It's hatred of a different way of life and feeling like the west is getting too involved in how they want to live that's the problem from what I can see. Most Muslim people are very good quality human beings, just the same as the rest of the world when it boils down to it.

 

[Johnny 99]

Fair

Couldn't disagree more with this John. Millions more see the news than they would see a specific post on social media. The more see it, the more likely it is that they will feel inspired / empowered to do similar. We're basically helping them by publicising it and we should stop doing it immediately.

enough, but I think there's probably more people who go on social media for their "news" these days myself, however misguided that is. I remember so many Trump supporters quoting that they knew stuff was true as they'd seen it on FB etc. & that they couldn't trust the press.
It's extremists recruiting easily led people that are the problem, not the news media. The problem is when certain areas if the press come out with phrases such as "crusade" etc. this will help the terrorists. If the TV news didn't report these things they wouldn't be doing their job. Word would be spread by social media & word of mouth. Like "Chinese whispers" this would become distorted & become mis-information very quickly. Like it or lump it we need the coverage to know what is really going on & I wouldn't want to be without the coverage myself.

 

[///M]

Fair

enough, but I think there's probably more people who go on social media for their "news" these days myself, however misguided that is. I remember so many Trump supporters quoting that they knew stuff was true as they'd seen it on FB etc. & that they couldn't trust the press.
It's extremists recruiting easily led people that are the problem, not the news media. The problem is when certain areas if the press come out with phrases such as "crusade" etc. this will help the terrorists. If the TV news didn't report these things they wouldn't be doing their job. Word would be spread by social media & word of mouth. Like "Chinese whispers" this would become distorted & become mis-information very quickly. Like it or lump it we need the coverage to know what is really going on & I wouldn't want to be without the coverage myself.

I think that's kind of the same thing really mate. The more twisted and distorted their message becomes the less powerful it is. What irks me so so much is that we're definitely giving them what they want, coverage. It's bad enough we all pay to house these people, let's not do even more to help! We don't need to know their names, who their family is, what they like to do on a weekend etc. More harm than good.

ETA: think of it this way, it's not like the guys organising these things have access to all the details without the press reports. That helps them massively for them to know how many they killed for instance. If they're given the news to prove they have been successful surely that spurs them on for more. If they never hear jack about it maybe it would seem like such a win to them.

What's daft is, aside from the upsetting loss of life, every time without fail that these things happen, our communities come together, all ages, religions, races and it makes us stronger.

 

[Dmonk197]

That's reading as a shocking generalisation and I'm sure you don't mean it. "Some" Muslims would be a much better way to put it. Some English people commit atrocious acts that doesn't for one minute mean all English people are evil. Same logic applies here. I know a lot of Muslim folk, at work and in my personal life. Sure they have very different beliefs to me but they're all, not one excluded, lovely, kind, considerate people who have never once questioned the way I lead my life, nor tried to impose their views on me.

Their religion is not what drives this. It's hatred of a different way of life and feeling like the west is getting too involved in how they want to live that's the problem from what I can see. Most Muslim people are very good quality human beings, just the same as the rest of the world when it boils down to it.

sorry your right and i will clarify- i am certainly not labelling all Muslims - the muslin religion (the koran) believes that if you are not living the Muslim way then you are a sinner- its the extremist who are the problem.....( to be clear i dont think all Muslims are extremists)

 

[///M]

sorry your right and i will clarify- i am certainly not labelling all Muslims - the muslin religion (the koran) believes that if you are not living the Muslim way then you are a sinner- its the extremist who are the problem.....( to be clear i dont think all Muslims are extremists)

Thank you mate. I was sure you wouldn't be saying that.