CLIO 197 CUP - Project TF

[burrellbloke]

I’ve been discussing this with a mate. The sizes that are in the U.K. seem really strange. But I think in 18 months they will be the go to tyre for most.

Tempted to try some Direzzas though.

Direzzas are really grippy, but wear faster than a MRF.

 

[deekay16v]

I absolutely do not get, why some tire sizes are available only locally. Would love to try AD09 for fastroad.

 

[Marsch]

I'm currently looking for a new set of tires and would give an arm and a leg for a set of AD08R in 215/40 R18 even if they're five or six years old. It's really difficult to find something proper in that size. They only other road approved semis in that size here are 595 Pro but I'm not convinced about them. I'm looking at Cup 2 but they're 220,- € a piece in that size which is outright theft.

 

[RSRowe]

595 behave very similar to the old AD08. They just look pretty crap in comparison I think.

 

[Marsch]

Looks are one thing but we had some quite bad experiences over here with the RS-R and RS-Pro.

After a trackday with admittedly old ones (Clio).


After about 3.000km on some mountain roads (Twingo).


After slightly over 100 laps at Hockenheim (Clio).


That's why I'm a bit sceptical about them.

 

[RSRowe]

Yep. I’ve had the same horizontal cracking on them before, but no failure per your first pic.

 

[Marsch]

In the first case the damper went, too. The question is if it did go first and caused the tire problem or if the tire problem caused the damper one?

 

[Tarticmonkey]

Direzzas are really grippy, but wear faster than a MRF.

Interesting point. How many days did you get from the dunlops?

 

[deekay16v]

Yep. I’ve had the same horizontal cracking on them before, but no failure per your first pic.

RSR tend to crack in batches I have not seen cracked RS PRO yet, but those pics Marsch posted are not confidence inspiring. I have quite common 215 45 R17 and yet there is almost nothing to choose from in this category (AD08R, not R888R etc) that is available in Europe
Been looking towards Cup2, but from reviews they are grippy but floaty in a traditional Michelin way (soft sidewalls, therefore forces supported more by tire pressure than construction of the tire, therefore bigger heat and load sensitivity...no likey )

 

[RSRowe]

I’ve said it many times before in other threads…. But unfortunately a compromise needs to be accepted somewhere.

The perfect tyre does not exist.

 

[burrellbloke]

Interesting point. How many days did you get from the dunlops?

I have had two part worn sets. One set was used without a diff in the car and probably lasted 4 track days. The second part worn set was used with a diff and again lasted about 3 or 4 days. One set was definitely destroyed at Anglesey.

 

[Tarticmonkey]

That really is a short life! @burrellbloke

 

[burrellbloke]

They were part used already with about 3 to 4 mm of tread left. One set I picked up for £200.

We probably destroyed them more quickly by driving with pressures too low and on tracks that eat tyres - it is all in my thread somewhere.

But, my view is they are really sticky tyres but just wear too quickly to give value for money (they are about £780 brand new for a set?). If they were the same price point of Accelera tyres then there would not be an issue.

Others may have a different opinion to me?

 

[RSRowe]

I think you're expecting too much, having been spoilt by the longevity and grip of the MRF's

 

[strell]

Yeah MRFs seem to be the best value/grip ratio semi.

Direzzas are defo quicker but they cost more and also last less. So end up being a decent chunk more to own.

Used cup slicks are the king of value/grip ratio though.

 

[Onrus]

Hankook RS4 are a great tyre. Probably a bit faster than the AD08R and just as durable. Heaps of people in Aus use them

 

[deekay16v]

Hankook RS4 are a great tyre. Probably a bit faster than the AD08R and just as durable. Heaps of people in Aus use them

Great tip, looks like they are available here. Thank you.

 

[deekay16v]

Hmm, looks like they are not available, in the end,... pity
So still looking

 

[Onrus]

Nankang CRS look like a good tyre.

 

[Tarticmonkey]

I don't think were getting the CRS until 2024 in the uk sadly.

It also appears that the sizes we are getting are shabba for clio's too.