how far do our engines go..?

[joyorbison]

hi all..

Just wondering is anyone can tell me..

Assuming regularly serviced, how long will these engines go on for? I ask, because I'm desperate to buy a 197 but my budget will only stretch to £5k - which is at high miler examples only..

When I say I'm desperate, I mean, my old Jags getting MOT'd on saturday an WILL fail to such an extent that its scrappage time.. (April 1st MOT runs out..)

EVO brought me here.

cheers..

J.

 

[Roy]

Should do 200,000 would have thought with today's engines but it all depends how you treat them

 

[Gorms]

In my opinion, with high millage comes high cost of running. If you don`t have the budget to buy i very much doubt you will have the monies to run/fix and repair it.

I could be totally wrong but thats just from experiences i have had.

Should do 200,000 would have thought with today's engines but it all depends how you treat them

Its not just the engines though. In 200k you will be looking at least 2 gearbox changes... at least. With no help from RUK.

 

[minimaxs1]

engines solid if you take it easy being a jag owner you probably wont know a car rev's over 5 k he he
as said you got to look at there will be a new exhaust, shocks, dephaser pulley etc and prob a gearbox rebuild within 150k. a set of tyres every 25k these cars.
for a five year old car i'd look at a £500 to £1000 a year to run it depending on whether you do the servicing

 

[Roy]

In my opinion, with high millage comes high cost of running. If you don`t have the budget to buy i very much doubt you will have the monies to run/fix and repair it.

I could be totally wrong but thats just from experiences i have had.



Its not just the engines though. In 200k you will be looking at least 2 gearbox changes... at least. With no help from RUK.

Is that a defo mate???

 

[Duli]

its a bit pesimistic, 2 gearbox changes in a cars life? i dont think so.

 

[Willis]

It's like anything, depends how you treat them and how well you stick to the servicing plan, wether you use the correct oil and components etc., etc.. There's no reason for a Gearbox to suddenly implode at 75K for example, unless it's had a hard life. They don't have inbuilt calendars or expiry dates.

For what it's worth, a good friend of mine suffered VTEC failure on his 54 Civic Type-R after 55K.

VTEC systems never fail...

 

[Matt197]

tbh T200 has a good point, the gearboxes on the 197 are notorious to failure and that's the ones that we hear about.

The 197/200 is a sports car, lets not forget that. Its going to cost more than a 1.2 Corsa to keep running every year.

The engine will out last most the parts on the car and is good for well over 250k at a guess.

 

[Tom]

For what it's worth, a good friend of mine suffered VTEC failure on his 54 Civic Type-R after 55K.

VTEC systems never fail...

That really is unheard of. I heard a rumor that, litterally, no single VTEC has ever failed. Must of been wrong! haha

I'd love to know how far they go. Perhaps a thread with numbers is beckoning....

 

[Gorms]

its a bit pesimistic, 2 gearbox changes in a cars life? i dont think so.

There are people on here with 197/200s which are already on their second boxes with less than 10k on the clock. Seems to be the weakest part of the engine.

It's like anything, depends how you treat them and how well you stick to the servicing plan, wether you use the correct oil and components etc., etc.. There's no reason for a Gearbox to suddenly implode at 75K for example, unless it's had a hard life. They don't have inbuilt calendars or expiry dates.

Poorly designed and built gear boxes seems a massive reason for things to implode. If this chap cant stretch to more than 5k then im guessing he will not have the money to properly maintain the car. This will result in more imploding. :thumb1:

Is that a defo mate???

Not a defo but seems to be the way things are going. Could be the reason why Renault have no gear boxes in stock.

tbh T200 has a good point, the gearboxes on the 197 are notorious to failure and that's the ones that we hear about.

The 197/200 is a sports car, lets not forget that. Its going to cost more than a 1.2 Corsa to keep running every year.

The engine will out last most the parts on the car and is good for well over 250k at a guess.

This ^^

 

[Fernandez]

The engine will out last most the parts on the car and is good for well over 250k at a guess.

I hope so, just rolled over 46,000 miles and its only 20 months old...

 

[Willis]

Well, it started out as throwing a warning light for the Cat', so he left it for a few weeks whilst he was saving up for a 200 Cell. Then he was driving it to work one morning and it just wouldn't engage VTEC, it'd rev right up but it wouldn't go nuts. Honda Altrincham took it off him and stripped the lot down, replaced some part of the VTEC system and basically rebuilt the engine looking for faults so he got a zero miles engine out of it. They gave him the Cat' for free in the end... After he'd spent ~£2k on the engine work hahaha!!!

Same here, even the dealership couldn't understand what had happened, all they knew was it was dead.

 

[Gorms]

I hope so, just rolled over 46,000 miles and its only 20 months old...

Thats pretty good going

You must be on first name terms with the staff in your local shell garage!

 

[Fernandez]

Thats pretty good going

You must be on first name terms with the staff in your local shell garage!

Lmao, funny you say that I am, my Shell points are running at just over 1250 this quarter. That'll be a nice debenhams voucher for the wife.

 

[deadmau5]

That really is unheard of. I heard a rumor that, litterally, no single VTEC has ever failed. Must of been wrong! haha

I'd love to know how far they go. Perhaps a thread with numbers is beckoning....

It's very wrong. I researched S2000s for months before I bought the Clio, there are lots of engine failures and it's £2k for a decent second hand engine (although you can get them from £1k). They also have a pretty common problem with timing chain tensioners.

 

[SarGara]

There's no reason for a Gearbox to suddenly implode at 75K for example, unless it's had a hard life. They don't have inbuilt calendars or expiry dates.

How can you own a Mk3 RenaultSport Clio and say this comment? They will and do fail, its just a matter of time judging by the majority of forum posts both on here and on Renault official forum.

Its quite worrying how many of the new posters seem to sign up to ask for help about their "crunching gearbox" on the RUK official forums!

 

[ben_r1]

My mates 182 is on 140k and still as quick as any 197. Having said that my 1986 Peugeot 205 is on 245,000 miles and that's an old tech car. Aslong as they're looked after mileage is just a number.

 

[Willis]

+1. Exactly what Ben said.

How can you own a Mk3 RenaultSport Clio and say this comment?

Because I've had two trouble-free years of motoring so far with mixed driving, including a fair few trackdays and a monthly blast out around Wales, The Lakes etc., that's how. I think the original owner only ever used the car to go to Tesco in judging by how low the wear and tear was when I picked her up.

If and when my gearbox goes, then no doubt I'll have a whinge. But there's more cars on here in good working order then there is in poor working order. There's been 3 or 4 Con Rod failures too, but that doesn't mean every engine ''can and will'' throw a Con Road at some point in it's life.

I see more VWs at work with broken 'boxes and blown Turbos than any other car. Yet on here most people hail them as the pinnacle of reliability.

Mass production is an unpridctable mistress.

 

[Gorms]

My mates 182 is on 140k and still as quick as any 197. Having said that my 1986 Peugeot 205 is on 245,000 miles and that's an old tech car. Aslong as they're looked after mileage is just a number.

I had sierra with over 220k on the clock, I done 80k in it, never got it serviced and i think it even ran out of oil on two occasions. Was a total mess and cost me £1 to buy. Funny thing is I still see it driving around and i sold it 7 years ago.

So much more to go wrong with modern day cars. My dads turbo popped on his Bmw at 44k with full Bmwsh. Regardless of being looked after or not there is still a massive element of luck involved.

 

[Roy]

Would like to know what mileage some of the 06 cars are on as there have been a couple that I've seen for sale and they were close to 100,000 a couple of years ago