RS Megane MK4

[Pav]

definitely appeals to me...looks like a decent package..also would love to know its weight..

 

[Pav]

im glad that this time they gave us a choice..if you want to be in a manual then go for it and vice versa..think it was a good decision..

 

[peter]

And trust me, it actually makes you more connected with the car. With a manual the very act of changing gear, off gas, on clutch, choose gear, move stick, off clutch, on gas takes you away from the driving experience rather than getting you more involved.

Awesome post!!!!!

no no no no no no no no!
i must be stupid, since i can't understand how working the car more, makes you less involved in driving it.

 

[cpaterson76]

I want to paint the end plates of my cup spoiler in red after looking at these pics.

Yep those end plates go lovely with the black diamonds on it

 

[nutnutwelshman]

no no no no no no no no!
i must be stupid, since i can't understand how working the car more, makes you less involved in driving it.

But your slowing the car down everytime you depress the clutch and you have to put your coffee down too

 

[Pav]

But your slowing the car down everytime you depress the clutch and you have to put your coffee down too

some replies are just hilarious,right Kev?

 

[Chris]

no no no no no no no no!
i must be stupid, since i can't understand how working the car more, makes you less involved in driving it.

Well the fact you have to take your hand off the wheel for a start...

 

[petercronin]

So, I've just seen the best shots of it that I've seen so far on instagram.

I like it... but... I think it's the beginning of the end for Renaultsport when their focus is making it more acceptable to people who wouldn't normally drive a car like this. If this isn't normally the car for them, why is it being made that way? Do it properly Renault ffs!

Screw the amazing heritage, let's water it all down so we can sell more of them.

This is not the company that gave us the V6.

Bit sad about it really.

I wouldn't say it's the beginning of the end. I'd say think of it like Porsche making Cayenne's etc. Build some cars for the masses so they can actually make money and continue making niche cars for the few (i.e. cup chassis with a manual gearbox or Alpine A110's)


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[nutnutwelshman]

some replies are just hilarious,right Kev?

Thank you @Pav an old Mans thoughts and mad as a March Hare to boot

 

[///M]

I wouldn't say it's the beginning of the end. I'd say think of it like Porsche making Cayenne's etc. Build some cars for the masses so they can actually make money and continue making niche cars for the few (i.e. cup chassis with a manual gearbox or Alpine A110's)


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Fair play Peter but Porsche still offer a GT3...

It's the watering down of the RS brand that bothers me. BMW ///M has been absolutely ruined too. Money is king.

 

[///M]

no no no no no no no no!
i must be stupid, since i can't understand how working the car more, makes you less involved in driving it.

I know for certain you're not stupid!

It's because you're making more effort to make the car work and it takes your focus away from the very thing you're aiming at: making progress. Once the gear change happens almost telepathically, you're more focused on the road. It's a brain shift. And a good one in my opinion.

Don't forget, it's not an auto. It has auto mode, but when you're on it and it's in manual mode, honestly, I feel much more part of the car.

 

[///M]

Awesome post!!!!!

Thanks mate. I know you know.

 

[petercronin]

Fair play Peter but Porsche still offer a GT3...

It's the watering down of the RS brand that bothers me. BMW ///M has been absolutely ruined too. Money is king.

In my eyes they will be offering their GT3 in the form of an more focused version by the end of 2018. They said in the press release that was the plan. They're hoping to make a bit of money by selling joe public the dual clutch version and keeping the purists happy by having a cup chassis and manual box.

They've stayed away from the stupid power battle and said the car is a fun and capable car rather than being about numbers. This is what RS has always been???

This could of course all turn out to be rubbish if the car's no good.


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[LOCKE]

Yep those end plates go lovely with the black diamonds on it

I was weak then thinking that. My OEM hindsight is back with me.

 

[///M]

In my eyes they will be offering their GT3 in the form of an more focused version by the end of 2018. They said in the press release that was the plan. They're hoping to make a bit of money by selling joe public the dual clutch version and keeping the purists happy by having a cup chassis and manual box.

They've stayed away from the stupid power battle and said the car is a fun and capable car rather than being about numbers. This is what RS has always been???

This could of course all turn out to be rubbish if the car's no good.


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I really hope so mate. Honestly. Maybe there's a Trophy on the way.

But I do feel like the RS brand is being watered down. I worry they're heading towards putting RS badges on a base model because you can buy a bumper kit or something. Hope not but money money money...

All this said, I'm sure it's going to drive exceptionally well.

 

[petercronin]

I really hope so mate. Honestly. Maybe there's a Trophy on the way.

But I do feel like the RS brand is being watered down. I worry they're heading towards putting RS badges on a base model because you can buy a bumper kit or something. Hope not but money money money...

All this said, I'm sure it's going to drive exceptionally well.

They definitely said there was something, I don't think they said exactly what it's name would be - Trophy / R etc..

I can see what your saying, hopefully the people who work fir Renault who are passionate about cars win over the accountants!!


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[peter]

Well the fact you have to take your hand off the wheel for a start...

It's because you're making more effort to make the car work and it takes your focus away from the very thing you're aiming at: making progress. Once the gear change happens almost telepathically, you're more focused on the road. It's a brain shift. And a good one in my opinion.

Don't forget, it's not an auto. It has auto mode, but when you're on it and it's in manual mode, honestly, I feel much more part of the car.

nope. still don't get it. you guys really need to come down to spa next year april with kevin and explain it to me real sloooooowwww.

i'm not arguing a dual clutch is faster and i can see why not thinking about changing gear with a stick and a third pedal, lets you focus more on steering, braking and loud pedal operation, but is that more involvement? maybe, just maybe you just don't have the mental capacity to do it the old fashion way ... (hey bad cop, you can see the wink smiley right? please don't ban me. )

 

[sevenfourate]

I know for certain you're not stupid!

It's because you're making more effort to make the car work and it takes your focus away from the very thing you're aiming at: making progress. Once the gear change happens almost telepathically, you're more focused on the road. It's a brain shift. And a good one in my opinion.

Don't forget, it's not an auto. It has auto mode, but when you're on it and it's in manual mode, honestly, I feel much more part of the car.

I'm on the fence with this one.

I hear and see all the arguments - and from my time in a GTR and 200 / 220T i know what a semi-auto is, what it's capable of, how it works and its benefits in: Time spent between cogs, freeing up the grey matter to concentrate on other more important things, being able to keep both hands on the wheel etc.

But 'making progress' isnt everyone's goal. It very rarely features on my agenda. If i wanted 'fast' the majority of the time; i ultimately wouldn't be here full-stop. I want fun. And that's purely about sensations and feelings.

Some of us are more than aged enough now to be a peg or two down from full-on race-mode and actually enjoy the process not just the progress or end result per-se. A process that involves and engages you when you change gear, heel and toe, rev-match, blip the throttle just because...... and all that mallarky. When i fancy it and on my terms.

And not for one second am i saying i'd never consider one, that im hard-core old-skool, that flappy paddles detract from the sensation or that i'm just old and set in my ways - but i would say i do genuinely enjoy the tactile process of changing gear and the satisfaction from a perfectly executed change. Whatever that happens to be in a particular situation.

 

[///M]

I'm on the fence with this one.

I hear and see all the arguments - and from my time in a GTR and 200 / 220T i know what a semi-auto is, what it's capable of, how it works and its benefits in: Time spent between cogs, freeing up the grey matter to concentrate on other more important things, being able to keep both hands on the wheel etc.

But 'making progress' isnt everyone's goal. It very rarely features on my agenda. If i wanted 'fast' the majority of the time; i ultimately wouldn't be here full-stop. I want fun. And that's purely about sensations and feelings.

Some of us are more than aged enough now to be a peg or two down from full-on race-mode and actually enjoy the process not just the progress or end result per-se. A process that involves and engages you when you change gear, heel and toe, rev-match, blip the throttle just because...... and all that mallarky. When i fancy it and on my terms.

And not for one second am i saying i'd never consider one, that im hard-core old-skool, that flappy paddles detract from the sensation or that i'm just old and set in my ways - but i would say i do genuinely enjoy the tactile process of changing gear and the satisfaction from a perfectly executed change. Whatever that happens to be in a particular situation.

Fair play mate, like I said originally, some of the people who want to keep a gear stick just like changing gear. Fair enough. Personally I don't get it. To me it's like getting auto lights and auto wipers and then really wanting to do it yourself!

 

[///M]

nope. still don't get it. you guys really need to come down to spa next year april with kevin and explain it to me real sloooooowwww.

i'm not arguing a dual clutch is faster and i can see why not thinking about changing gear with a stick and a third pedal, lets you focus more on steering, braking and loud pedal operation, but is that more involvement? maybe, just maybe you just don't have the mental capacity to do it the old fashion way ... (hey bad cop, you can see the wink smiley right? please don't ban me. )

More involvement in the actual driving yes, 100% in my experience / opinion. Changing gear yourself is just something you need to do in order to drive. If the car can do it for you (complete with awesome throttle blips that are much better and more perfect than you could ever do yourself) why not? To me it's like having a nice lady but cracking one off yourself even though she's offering to do it for you!

You just like to change gear. I totally understand, but the very act of what you are doing detracts from what is happening through the front window. If it didn't, why did they make the change to racecars as soon as it was an option? When the change was made in motorsport the shifts were not as quick as what we have today so it's not all about speed.

It's just a preference. Some people really like to change gear. Some like an ear bleedingly loud exhaust. Some even like black badges...



As for your last bit, you're welcome to jump in the passenger seat of the Lotus and see how I get on with doing it myself...

...I see the smiley!