Droping Meg 225 into a 197

[BREENY BOY]

I have seen ppl on here saying that there in the process of doing this or have done it. I fancy doing it can anyone one point me in the direction of exactly what needs done and how much roughly u reckon it would cost , guess the next big ask is is it worth it

 

[fmp]

doing it yourself or getting the bits together for a tuner to do it?

You will need a COMPLETE 225/230 engine. So thats all ancillaries, sensors etc
A megane loom is worth having (engine bay loom only)
The megane ECU

then there are all the bits like intercooler, pipework, exhaust link pipe etc

For me, although mechanically i could of done the swap, i thought it was easier to take it to someone who knew exactly what they were doing, hence why K-Tec carried out the work for me.

And they did a really excellent job. Nice neat and tidy install, everything works perfectly etc.

Price wise, if you buy the engine, which generally go for around £1000 on ebay, then k-tec will charge somewhere around 2-2500 to fit. Thats a drive in, drive out service.

So for £3500 you get around 65-70 bhp over the original 197. Which if you threw the same money at the existing engine, you would probably see 20-25bhp.

Plus the megane lump as plenty of future potential.

 

[BREENY BOY]

Getting all the bits for a tuner to do it mate. I take it I'd be betters trying to get like a written of meg cause I don't think I'd get all the bits ur saying if I just bought the engine from ebay

 

[fmp]

depends really.

if you can get a written off car then yeah, at least you have everything.

I bought my engine off ebay, and someone was breaking a car, so asked for the extra bits.

It would be a pain to try and source them from differnt suppliers mind, so best to get them all in one hit.

I know they are a million miles from you, but i cant recommend k-tec enough with this conversion. Its like it came from the factory with it!

 

[BREENY BOY]

I use Ktec a lot for parts and the guys r awesome. I must say I do really fancy dropping the meg lump in I also think more and more ppl r going to do this over the next few years. Lol just had a brain flash how awesome would it be dropping the rs250 engine in lol

 

[litchy]

FMP's looks the best to date. The thing that worries me is I know even at 265bhp, it would never be enough cause it never is. Also often the engine that goes into them we know very little about. Also I keep most cars for two years max and I know when it comes to selling it I won't even come close to regaining the money I spent (I know you never do) or equally it will be difficult to sell.

 

[BREENY BOY]

I kno wat u mean itchy but the quest for power never ends lol

 

[fmp]

when i got my engine, i had the water pump, cambelt and aux belts, cam seals all done.

And that was one of my considerations, long term or future value. And i thought long and hard and decided that if doing this conversion, basically the car was a keeper. So i have no intention of selling it. If anything, in a few years it might be retired to just track fun and i will get another daily driver.

All things worth taking into consideration!!

 

[litchy]

when i got my engine, i had the water pump, cambelt and aux belts, cam seals all done.

And that was one of my considerations, long term or future value. And i thought long and hard and decided that if doing this conversion, basically the car was a keeper. So i have no intention of selling it. If anything, in a few years it might be retired to just track fun and i will get another daily driver.

All things worth taking into consideration!!

Def sounds like a good plan. Problem is cars are like girlfriends, your convinced this is the one I'm going to marry until they say or do the wrong thing or until you meet someone better. lol

 

[BREENY BOY]

Lol I hope ur not comparing ur or ours missess's to our cars lol lol

 

[mitch]

What kind of insurance increase are ppl seeing with this conversion.? Quite tempting

 

[litchy]

Lol I hope ur not comparing ur or ours missess's to our cars lol lol

Always good to keep your options open...cars or misses!!!!

 

[dangerdaz]

Just be aware if stage 2ing the meg lump that you are basically maxing out the injectors. Well worth fitting uprated 1s as supplied by rs tuning.. or consider the hybrid turbo option instead....

 

[MikeH]

Let's not forget the meg engines have been known to go boom above 300lbft of torque plus at this point the standard clutch struggles on the meg, also the meg lump and gearbox plonks a Clio between both the r26 andr26r in weight so is there that much to be gained without throwing more pennies in...

 

[N0ddie]

Tbh, the increase in bhp is a good thing with these conversions, but IMO, the best aftereffect is the huge increase in torque making the car much more driveable more of the time.

I hope to get the conversion done to the green one eventually but maybe wait a few years yet. Get the best use out of the standard engine.

By then though, R26 engines are gonna be long in the tooth and fairly high mileage. Do the Meg 250 engines fit in the 200's bay?

 

[MikeH]

Hmm, I take it u ain't driven a meg, the power/torque dies off very annoyingly when you get up the rev range especially if you are used to a Clio, the rev limiter becomes very annoying!!!

 

[N0ddie]

Hmm, I take it u ain't driven a meg, the power/torque dies off very annoyingly when you get up the rev range especially if you are used to a Clio, the rev limiter becomes very annoying!!!

I thought the flat torque curve of the standard engine was fairly decent. Turbo cars aint meant to supply max torque at the rev limit?

 

[MikeH]

It's flat for a few thousand of the rev range, but because the turbo is so small it soon dies off, the downside of having a quick spooling turbo I guess. The hybrid turbos are a better bet but they will have you rolling the dice before either the clutch has had enough or as my mate paulk22 off megsport found a conrod finds its way through the engine block

 

[N0ddie]

Best bet to leave the engine pretty standard then? Maybe forge the internals?

 

[Jonesy]

noddie, the torque is what makes the car drive sooooooo much better, i can drive around everywhere in 3rd gear, its awsome.

once u get a remap the torque stays near enough all the way to red line, if you get a bigger turbo then it will 100% of the time