Clio 200 - 2017
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Yiannis197
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Car looks great mate. Let us know about the outcome of the RS tuning visit
What is the relationship with Kalatzis btw?
What is the relationship with Kalatzis btw?
Raptor6767
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Car feels better already. Seems have bit extra in midrange ! Looking forward to see what map does and final figures.
What do want yainnis?
What do want yainnis?
Yiannis197
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I was just asking out of curiosity Chris as this guy is Greek (I'm greek as well) and I know him through common friends, social media etc
Ohhh lol fair enough. He helped me out last year with some sponsorship money wise for advertising his company. He wants to get his products sold over her in the UK
Yiannis197
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Well took thr trip up too RS tuning on Monday.
Was pleased how car drove with just the cams in. Felt loads smoother and seem,d to feel slightly stronger mid range. Idl's normal too.
Car was put on the dyno and ran up few times resulting in a 191bhp but fuelling was slighty over the place. Again like last time I asked him too get as much out car low Down / mid range as well as keeping it ultra safe for out on track.
Paul spent good while on car running it up and tweeking the map till was happy. The final results were as expected. Shame was that magical 200bhp but was pretty close. The red line is pervious figure and the green lines the new figure . 188.3bhp too 198.1bhp
as can see the cams have gave the car a healthy increase in bhp and troque through entire rev range. Once hits 3.5 rpm the two graphs really do start to separate.
on the road car feels awesome, Was flat before! Picks up instantly with that improved chunk of torque and pulls really well. Soon as gets on vvti it does Rev loads harder. Both the map and cams have really woke engine up. On the test drove Paul commented on how well it went.
It's certainly going too be a hoot to drive on track now!!!
Great news is aswell , RS TUNING have kindly got onboard with me for next years timeattack and kindly sorted the mapping out. Well chuffed
next car will be going back for the bushes to be fitted...
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Yiannis197
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Good stuff mate. Mine made 200bhp on the same rollers, cams, matched inlets, Akrapovic and Ktec induction kit. I would do the last 2 again without second thoughts for the sound alone, I wouldn't do the cams again.
It's amazing how the power on f4r engines fluctuate as there are stock 197s/200s out there which produce the same power as the cammed ones lol!
It's amazing how the power on f4r engines fluctuate as there are stock 197s/200s out there which produce the same power as the cammed ones lol!
really? I think cams best thing done to date. Just not a cheap upgrade. depends what want for car. I'm looking for really small gains to get car on par with others in my group. I need them. If it's just a daily Clio then be hard justify the cost!
Well i I havnt got matched inlets , weather they would a difference in a 200 I dunno. Also still got pre cat in place. I'm sure if that come out or different manifold fitted then 200bhp would be hit.
i agree though the engines are so inconsistent and its a pain !!! If I'd done this to my old green 200 I'd smashed 200bhp easily as that was really strong engine going off the dyno reading. I'd love know what causes the differances. Not down to cam timing . The torralnces must be huge on certain things like head for example .
Whats even more depressing is if gone ktec could have 210 bhp from just a remap hahahaha
- FOOT NOTE , CHECKED MY FRONT TYRE PRESSURES THIS MORNING. 27/28 PSI IN TH FRONTS
SADLY THIS WILL NOT OF HELPED THE DYNO READING. MORE LIKLEY TO MAKE IT RED LOW. DOH !!
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Yiannis197
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Ah definitely mate, maybe you are over 200bhp mark after all! Matched inlets don't have any benefits, especially when we talk peak power.
Power wise, they say it's the way the engine was broken in so if you drove it like you stole it from day one you would be looking to a strong engine. Not sure really as this has never been proven as such.
Matched inlets don't have any benefits, especially when we talk peak power.Power wise, they say it's the way the engine was broken in so if you drove it like you stole it from day one you would be looking to a strong engine. Not sure really as this has never been proven as such.
TB Rich
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I'm not sure the variance on these engines is as much as initially thought - when you discount the spurious figures from places like Ktec that is.
Most stock/ish cars make about 185bhp, then when mapped about 190bhp.....at RST. Then with a mild cam upgrade as the 402 is, and yours and Yiannis both made about 200bhp. I've gone for essentially a slightly hotter cam, compression increase and fancy exhaust manifold and made 215bhp there, lots more torque from the compression hike too but they all tally up with the level of mods etc between them.
Ktec's 210bhp from just a remap, and 216bhp from 402's that I have seen recently, are laughable frankly. In fact I actually think they are insulting to the wider community, so they are trying to tell people that their ECU calibrations are so good they can out perform everything else on the market by a massive difference?! My car was mapped by RST, then converted to run a standalone and mapped by the ECU manufacture; the engine has more cam, higher CR, a better exhaust yet makes apparently less than a Ktec 402 only "special", ****ing pricks.
I'll use them for parts and that's it. /rant
Most stock/ish cars make about 185bhp, then when mapped about 190bhp.....at RST. Then with a mild cam upgrade as the 402 is, and yours and Yiannis both made about 200bhp. I've gone for essentially a slightly hotter cam, compression increase and fancy exhaust manifold and made 215bhp there, lots more torque from the compression hike too but they all tally up with the level of mods etc between them.
Ktec's 210bhp from just a remap, and 216bhp from 402's that I have seen recently, are laughable frankly. In fact I actually think they are insulting to the wider community, so they are trying to tell people that their ECU calibrations are so good they can out perform everything else on the market by a massive difference?! My car was mapped by RST, then converted to run a standalone and mapped by the ECU manufacture; the engine has more cam, higher CR, a better exhaust yet makes apparently less than a Ktec 402 only "special", ****ing pricks.
I'll use them for parts and that's it. /rant
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TB Rich
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lol! I didn't know it was going that way when I started the reply haha!!
The thing is with ktec's figures; at best it's a poorley calibrated RR, at worst it's out right deception.....typically with these sort of things the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.
///M
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Ah definitely mate, maybe you are over 200bhp mark after all!
Power wise, they say it's the way the engine was broken in so if you drove it like you stole it from day one you would be looking to a strong engine. Not sure really as this has never been proven as such.
Totally agree with this mate. A good friend has driven one a year or so back and said it just felt a bit breathless. Which I found really surprising because he knows his stuff and we all know these cars are lively and exciting when revved. Turns out it was one lady owner from new and her dad bought it as a birthday present. Done 40k miles most of which has been pootling around town. Told him, no wonder it feels like ****e! Driven hard but maintained well is obviously going to work much better. Some you win some you lose.
I know my ///M is about 8-10 horses down to what some people have (claim), however mine may make a little less but I know it dives a s**tload better than 90% of the other tuned cars out there, is strong as an ox, with no hesitation ever and constantly feels raw and ready for anything. The only time it moves is when it's going out for some serious driving. Same with the previous owner, and the one previous owner to that was a BMW ///M specialist.
Long winded as always but the point is yep, beat the crap out of them, they love it
///M
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100% deception in my opinion. They can't not be aware of the entire issue. They make them high on purpose because it probably (sadly) gets them more business. Plenty of them sadly.
Daft thing is, there should be some sort of disclaimer with all these things. Different tester, different weather, different mechanisms, whether it likes a Tuesday... there are just so many variables that means the power figure means little. So long as it's set up well and you feel the benefit when driving it, that's all that matters. But then I guess there are a lot of younger people driving these cars. They get caught up in the "I have more power than you" willy waggling.
///M
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Graphs look good mate. Seems to come on power pretty strong pretty instantly. Torque looks good too. I'd be well happy with that.
Haha TBrich - good rant but really your just stating facts! It's insulting that they can think they can con people with these figures but some people are sadly very gullible !
My car was 188 and I knew cams would give me around 8-10 bhp. They gave me 10 which is a realistic figure. If every Clio was dyno'd around 195-200 standard then 215 would be realistic.
You could have a point regarding how the cars been broke in. Mine was a 1 Owner car that was well treated.
My car was 188 and I knew cams would give me around 8-10 bhp. They gave me 10 which is a realistic figure. If every Clio was dyno'd around 195-200 standard then 215 would be realistic.
You could have a point regarding how the cars been broke in. Mine was a 1 Owner car that was well treated.
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