2012 Renault Clio RS200 Ange et Demon #486
- Thread starter RS200A&D
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225/40/18
The extra width and the protective lip on the Goodyears has saved my rims from gutter rash on several occasions already.
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With the camber from the new top mounts and the slight raising on both sides the scrubbing on the guards/arches issue was sorted. I kept the old rims with the less aggressive offset as a spare track set. Those with 215s should ensure no danger of rubbing.
Don't think I've ever seen another A&D on the road, but driving home the other day I discovered one parked just around the corner! I just had to jump out and take a few pics.
Picked the car up from AP Automotive Services today:
This is what went in:
Feels no different from stock in normal driving. No lumpy idle and very well behaved, maybe a tad less responsive at low revs, but barely noticeable, or maybe it was just cold and I was imagining it. Above about 4000-5000rpm though you can definitely feel it pull stronger and louder than before.
This is what went in:
Feels no different from stock in normal driving. No lumpy idle and very well behaved, maybe a tad less responsive at low revs, but barely noticeable, or maybe it was just cold and I was imagining it. Above about 4000-5000rpm though you can definitely feel it pull stronger and louder than before.
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Yiannis197
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Custom dyno remap today with Henk from RSTuner. I'll post up the full results soon.
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Yiannis197
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N0ddie
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So here are my results from the RR day.
http://postimg.org/image/xymsntkbv/
Some comments and observations from Henk during my brief chat with him:
- He used to have a 197 that was a bit down on power. No matter what he did to it, he couldn't get more out of it. Some 197/200s are like this and won't respond no matter what you do to them. He said mine also appears to be one of the 'weaker ones'. In any case all Clio IIIs only show marginal gains from remapping, because they are already so well engineered out of the factory.
- Akra exhaust does nothing.
- The 'fast road' 5504402 CatCams I had fitted are extremely mild. If I had not told him I'd had them done he would not even have noticed.
- The Clio III engine is pretty much maxed out in terms of tuning. There is practically nothing you can do to it to get more power. He's seen people do complete engine rebuilds with a lot of work and only get incremental gains. The Clio III is all about the chassis, and that's what makes it such a track weapon.
- Also told me not to get too hung up on the charts and figures and muttered something under his breath about the dyno or software or something losing it's accuracy as the day wore on. He said the car should 'feel' a lot better after the remap.
So I'm slightly disappointed that my car appears to be slightly down on power, but oh well, I'm still glad I did all this and it certainly feels a lot smoother and faster. But without before and after tests with F1-grade telemetry it's hard to judge precisely how much has been gained.
Special thanks to Henk, Ace, and everyone else from OzRenaultsport involved in putting this weekend together, I was there on both days and reckon it was a resounding success!
http://postimg.org/image/xymsntkbv/
Some comments and observations from Henk during my brief chat with him:
- He used to have a 197 that was a bit down on power. No matter what he did to it, he couldn't get more out of it. Some 197/200s are like this and won't respond no matter what you do to them. He said mine also appears to be one of the 'weaker ones'. In any case all Clio IIIs only show marginal gains from remapping, because they are already so well engineered out of the factory.
- Akra exhaust does nothing.
- The 'fast road' 5504402 CatCams I had fitted are extremely mild. If I had not told him I'd had them done he would not even have noticed.
- The Clio III engine is pretty much maxed out in terms of tuning. There is practically nothing you can do to it to get more power. He's seen people do complete engine rebuilds with a lot of work and only get incremental gains. The Clio III is all about the chassis, and that's what makes it such a track weapon.
- Also told me not to get too hung up on the charts and figures and muttered something under his breath about the dyno or software or something losing it's accuracy as the day wore on. He said the car should 'feel' a lot better after the remap.
So I'm slightly disappointed that my car appears to be slightly down on power, but oh well, I'm still glad I did all this and it certainly feels a lot smoother and faster. But without before and after tests with F1-grade telemetry it's hard to judge precisely how much has been gained.
Special thanks to Henk, Ace, and everyone else from OzRenaultsport involved in putting this weekend together, I was there on both days and reckon it was a resounding success!
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So I'm thinking maybe my performance is suffering because of a timing issue with the cams, which can ruin things, as explained here:
http://www.clio197.net/forum/showthread ... ck!/page35
http://www.k-tecracing.com/news.asp?b=true&nav=12
The mechanic who fitted the cams said it is impossible to time the cams perfectly because of the design of the engine and the way the cams are integrated with the rocker cover. He just set them to where he thought would be more or less right but said it's impossible to check how much it is out by.
So maybe I need to get a cam timing tool to get them spot on:
http://www.catcams.co.uk/acatalog/Tools.html
Or this?
http://www.lasertools.co.uk/item.aspx?code=3388
http://www.clio197.net/forum/showthread ... ck!/page35
http://www.k-tecracing.com/news.asp?b=true&nav=12
The mechanic who fitted the cams said it is impossible to time the cams perfectly because of the design of the engine and the way the cams are integrated with the rocker cover. He just set them to where he thought would be more or less right but said it's impossible to check how much it is out by.
So maybe I need to get a cam timing tool to get them spot on:
http://www.catcams.co.uk/acatalog/Tools.html
Or this?
http://www.lasertools.co.uk/item.aspx?code=3388
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Response from CatCams:
"The timing is cruical and also the mapping needs to adjust the vvt map to get the best out of them (without mapping they only make 2-3bhp)
There should be no need for our tool with these cams."
"It does look like the gains are minimal.
These are the gains we've seen in back to back testing with a remap including the VVT being remapped as well:
http://www.catcams.co.uk/acatalog/clio_197_power.html
Without the VVT being remapped the increase was very poor but once it had been reprogrammed then the gains come.
The cams are CNC ground so the centerlines will be correct when installed with the std renault timing tool and Im not aware of any one having problems (its basically the same method used for the 172 & 182 engines)."
So do I need a specific tool to get the timing of the cams spot on? Judging from other experiences on here I would have thought 215bhp should be easily achievable on the 402 CatCams.
"The timing is cruical and also the mapping needs to adjust the vvt map to get the best out of them (without mapping they only make 2-3bhp)
There should be no need for our tool with these cams."
"It does look like the gains are minimal.
These are the gains we've seen in back to back testing with a remap including the VVT being remapped as well:
http://www.catcams.co.uk/acatalog/clio_197_power.html
Without the VVT being remapped the increase was very poor but once it had been reprogrammed then the gains come.
The cams are CNC ground so the centerlines will be correct when installed with the std renault timing tool and Im not aware of any one having problems (its basically the same method used for the 172 & 182 engines)."
So do I need a specific tool to get the timing of the cams spot on? Judging from other experiences on here I would have thought 215bhp should be easily achievable on the 402 CatCams.
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