200 Tow strap bolt

Discussion in 'Clio General Chat' started by tel4tel, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. tel4tel

    tel4tel Gold Member

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    Yes it was I was just going to double check with the strap and the eye and a tape measure. As I only used a tape measure the other night.
     
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  2. J90RDN

    J90RDN Paid Member

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    Been rushing around today - let me check this properly tomorrow and give you an answer. Will more than likely be a yes, but need to check. Thanks
     
  3. tel4tel

    tel4tel Gold Member

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    I just measured the tow eye length "properly" when married up with the tow strap it's 20.6 CM including thread so it sits inside the cover but allows most the strap to hang down. My tow strap is an OMP.
     
  4. tel4tel

    tel4tel Gold Member

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    This not appropriate for the guys that want it to stick out.
     
  5. sevenfourate

    sevenfourate Devotee of OCD Paid Member

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    This is getting quite complicated and disjointed or me to have to try to organise.

    The length has changed numerous times - and we need to take stock of what people actually want. Because it’s likely from my point of view - they will all need to be very similar lengths as the thread length on the bolts differs according to what length overall length is ordered.

    Bolts come in amounts of 5’s in this size - aren’t cheap: and I’ve quoted on buying 200 long as first requested.

    When people all chip in with what they require we’ll move forward - but at this point I can’t commit to the price given IF the lengths required are all going to be different.....

    **And thanks for payment Tel. But for the above reason I’ll refund yours right away. You also didn’t include an address btw :smile:

    If people want to measure / let it be known here what lengths they require / if they require a recessed or protruding pin we can go from there.

    If you want to carry on any discussions via email Terry, it’s:

    [email protected]

    Cheers.
     
  6. Johnny 99

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    I don't think I will bother with this after all thanks Syer.
     
  7. PAUL JA

    PAUL JA Paid Member

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    A 200mm bolt is not long enough, they usually have 65mm of thread. If you reduce the thread length to say 35mm you now only have a total length of 165 which isn't long enough.

    You need to start with a 250mm bolt minimum
     
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  8. tel4tel

    tel4tel Gold Member

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    I went by the length of the thread on the original Renault tow eye which was 30mm. I assumed that this was correct? I amended the length to try and accomdate people that wanted the strap just inside the bumper. It looks like the majority of people want it outside of the bumper.
     
  9. sevenfourate

    sevenfourate Devotee of OCD Paid Member

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    I might not either...... :sunglasses:

    We'd already covered this. And it was mentioned here it would end up as a 65mm thread length on the chassis end - basing the overall length at 195mm (Derived from a 200mm bolt). This was too keep 'material' and labour costs down and i was informed the 65mm thread length would cause no problems. Simple as that.

    If anyone wants to start with a 300mm long bolt; and have the thread end machined down in length; and the other end drilled / tapped / nut welded on etc etc....That's all easy to do. But will obviously increase both material and labour costs. And irrelevant of that as yet;'we' can't collectively decide what we actually want !



    Without being rude to anyone - and as stated in my very first post on this topi (And i directly quote):

    *****"You’re at least the 3rd person on here recently to want one of these.......As I’ve said previously to both of those people: If YOU do the research and find out / measure exactly what you need: and give me a basic drawing I should be able to make you one of these no worries."



    Now - perhaps it's my fault for turning this into a group buy and trying to help others out whilst also turning my back on being interested in the measuring / design; which i have neither the interest, need or time for. And getting one of our machinists at work to do these will cost me money. Hence even more so why i didn't want to get into doing one at a time....


    Im gonna leave this for the time being and take off the Group buy tag - and put it back in the Clio general section. If anyone ( @tel4tel ?) wants to take control and get together 5 or more people all requiring the exact same thing; that they can all agree on - i'll willingly help out at the manufacturing stage at any time in the future.

    Cheers.
     
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  10. Pav

    Pav Moderator

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    no worries Syer..Im not too clued up on all this so not a lot i can contribute..ask me about a teacher stuff and i will be glad to help but this is beyond me..Cheers anyway
     
  11. sevenfourate

    sevenfourate Devotee of OCD Paid Member

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    Let's hope someone gets it all together hey Pav.

    After 200m long the bolts do get expensive. Hence why we were thinking of starting with a 200.

    Heres a 200mm for reference on costs of doing this yourself. You'll now see how reasonable £15.50 machined, drilled, tapped and nut welded on and stainless bolt and washer supplied would have been.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M20-Hex-B...hash=item3f83d7f4ea:m:mRdvzjjJ8JW5M4a2mBdQjVw
     
  12. Benno

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    +1! I'm clued up on anything relating to the coach industry but anything involving nuts or bolts and I'm just winging it..
     
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  13. Pav

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    appreciate it mate...we will get there eventually..:thumb:
     
  14. Pav

    Pav Moderator

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    nothing wrong with this mate..we all have our field of expertise,dont we??:track:
     
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    john_walker74 Paid Member

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  16. PAUL JA

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    "We'd already covered this. And it was mentioned here it would end up as a 65mm thread length on the chassis end - basing the overall length at 195mm (Derived from a 200mm bolt). This was too keep 'material' and labour costs down and i was informed the 65mm thread length would cause no problems. Simple as that."

    I'm trying to help having already made one of these, if it wasn't 50 miles away I'd take it out and measure it. I'll re phrase what I said - you could use a 200mm bolt but you would have to restrict how far it screwed in (maybe fill the thread with weld and grind off giving about 30mm of usable thread).

    This before I welded a nut on the end

    Post 9 http://www.clio197.net/threads/tow-strap-bolt.56974/#post-649199
     
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  17. sevenfourate

    sevenfourate Devotee of OCD Paid Member

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    The basic issue is: No-one has come up with anything definitive. Its all ifs, but's and maybe's for whatever reason.

    So from what you're saying right there - it's not a blind-bore threaded female recess in the chassis then ?.......the thread passes right through something by the sounds of it; otherwise it couldn't be over-wound in too far - and hence you're saying the need for it to be restricted otherwise you'll lose the length.....

    Is that correct ?
     
  18. tel4tel

    tel4tel Gold Member

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    Guy's I'm done trying to sort this out. I'm out.
     
  19. PAUL JA

    PAUL JA Paid Member

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    That's correct it's not a blind hole
     
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  20. sevenfourate

    sevenfourate Devotee of OCD Paid Member

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    80 replies in to discover this as fact...... :tearsofjoy:

    Thanks. Explains alot.
     

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