So I noticed that whilst driving my temp gauge dosent go right to the top and wonderd if mpg was down due to running in cold mode after browsing I found many people said this is a common problem and even ktec sell them saying the same thing but I'm always sceptical unless I know for sure so before replacing the thermostat I looked further into it, I got the running temperatures for my clios engine and plugged my programmer in with live data feed,thermostat opens at 80 degrees and is fully open at 86 degrees (auto data) I set out on a run and wached the engine temp slowly rise after about 10 mins I was up to 80 degrees I drove round for some time watching the engine temp fluctuate between 80-89 degrees, turnes out that's where the needle sits on the gauge and the thermostats not stuck in the open position like many are lead to belive, kinda glad I did my research now and be weary of changing things just because someone else says so