Come at me with all you audio questions!

Discussion in 'Interior and Audio' started by Dumdum, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. Dumdum

    Dumdum Gold Member

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    Nah otherwise I’d do it for you, I’m Notts, j28 M1
     

  2. Big Ben

    Big Ben Winner - POTM February 2018 Paid Member

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    I’ll keep that offer in mind mate. If I’m up that way can I drop you a message?
    I’ll give you a drink obviously:thumb:
     
  3. Dumdum

    Dumdum Gold Member

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    Of course mate
     
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  4. rcwsr

    rcwsr Paid Member

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    @Dumdum dunno if I'm being thick, I've installed radios before. I just can't get my new Pioneer HU to "click" into place. I bought a Pioneer DAB unit (contrary to what I said earlier), a connects2 clio faceplate adapter. I've connected the stereo and it works fine. It feels like it's pressing against cables at the back although I've moved them out the way, and Pioneer unit is shorter than the stock one. Am I missing something?
     
  5. Dumdum

    Dumdum Gold Member

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    Not really, it’s very tight, when fitting mine with adaptors etc I removed the glove box, five torx t20’s, one tip centre about 3” inside the glovebox, three behind trim at the top (comes off very easily!) and the remove the left hand side plate, again, unclips nice and easy, then it slides out, there’s a few plastic clips around the glove box but a firm tug and it slides out

    As you can now see the side of the stereo plastic slot for want of a better description I attached everything bar the cars iso leads and fed them all through and used the end to pull them all through, the control units etc all fit up the side of the heater controls between glovebox and heater controls...

    It all laid up the front nicely be the glove box only has the banana shaped opening parts nearby, all fitted lovely
     
  6. rcwsr

    rcwsr Paid Member

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    So you need to screw in the stereo from the sides to fix it in place?
     
  7. Dumdum

    Dumdum Gold Member

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    No, I am not sure which part gives you that idea as I dont mention putting screws into it??? you use the normal cage that comes with the radio, the glovebox removal is to allow you to pull the leads through the side at the back of the slot, then it clicks in like normal, the leads behind are what’s stopping the stereo fitting far enough in :thumb:
     
  8. Dumdum

    Dumdum Gold Member

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    You did fit the normal cage as well as the surround filler plastic part you bought?? You do need both bits, one doesn’t replace the other? I was presuming you’d fitted the plastic surround and the cage as well, then slid the radio through it?
     
  9. rcwsr

    rcwsr Paid Member

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    It wasn't that clear what you meant tbh!

    Yeah I'm using the cage that came with the Pioneer HU as well as the plastic surround.
    I'll see if I can pull the cables through via the glovebox tomorrow, cheers
     
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  10. Dumdum

    Dumdum Gold Member

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    Sorry wasn’t meant to sound condescending, I have encountered stuff like that from all sorts of people though.

    It will all become clearer when you read it with the glove box out, becomes far easier with something to look at :thumb:

    It will all fit once you get the iso plugs out of the way, with my pioneer I didn’t have length in the iso loom to get the iso plugs far enough in to tuck them to the left through the hole towards the glovebox so they got stuck behind the stereo just as you describe and it won’t go back the last 5-8mm, if you struggle I will whip my glove box out and show you it pic by pic :thumb:
     
  11. Dmonk197

    Dmonk197 Paid Member

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    Hi....what are best speakers to get now that I changed my head unit to a 4 x 50w?
     
  12. Dumdum

    Dumdum Gold Member

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    The issue with aftermarket speakers is they are generally designed to work with subs and don’t tend to perform well in a leaky door environment, so I would recommend sound deadening and sealing your doors to get the most out of your current speakers as they are far better suited to the environment they are in and then you will optimise bass from any speakers you then choose to upgrade to rather than throwing them in and potentially getting a worse sound that’s thin and watery than it is currently

    Most speaker upgrades will result in clearer treble and mid... but due to bass staying the same this results in the thin watery sound a lot of people find after doing such an upgrade alone

    It’s kind of like fitting a bigger downpipe (sound deadening) to a turbo car which will improve its breathing and power (better bass)

    Fitting a new bigger turbo (speakers) with a standard downpipe will give a little benefit in some areas but struggle elsewhere (better mid and treble)

    If you fit the two together (speakers and sound deadening) you will then benefit overall and have a big difference (better balance overall and more clarity)

    I hope my analogy makes sense and you can see the benefits sound deadening and sealing doors properly makes and then doing speakers
     
  13. Dumdum

    Dumdum Gold Member

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    There are also various ways of deadening vehicles that don’t cost a fortune and are easy to apply and more importantly cheaper than dynamat type products

    You can do rear quarters with celotex very effectively... pick big flat areas and bond it on with pu type sealant...

    Cut it into smaller pieces for curves etc very lightweight but effective

    I used it on my campervan as insulation but it made it very quiet also as a by product!

    Same with the roof if there’s enough space between roof and lining (generally strengtheners will take up some space... do between these with anything you can to add thickness and weight to the panels)

    Even bonding thin aluminium plate to panels that are big and flat is an excellent way of stiffening and quietening them

    Dynamat extreme is thick ally foil with a bitumen sticky substrate, pu seal 0.3mm ally sheet and it does the exact same thing Line rear quarters with carpet underlay also and they become quieter

    All this will benefit your sound as the quieter the outside noise is the less cancellation you get and the louder inside will seem (it’s a thing and almost magical but does work in reality)
     
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  14. Lauzmmj

    Lauzmmj Paid Member

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    Is it easy to apply sound deadening to the doors of my 197? What is the best deadening to use? Is it something I should try myself or get a professional to do?

    Many thanks
     
  15. Dumdum

    Dumdum Gold Member

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    A hair dryer is essential to soften it and get it to stick better and form to the contours of the door... and you need to degrease the inner and outer skins as it needs to stick to work whatever you use generally has adhesive quality’s

    Wallpaper seam rollers are the best things for applying it, use a wooden roller though as the plastic ones break as they aren’t designed to have loads of pressure applied in various angles

    The inner skin is more awkward as you have to skin over holes and panel gaps to effectively seal the cabin from the inside of the door to reduce cancellation from the back of the speaker

    It’s why you put subs in boxes so the rear of the wave of the speaker can’t interfere with the front wave (ported boxes act as if they were sealed and the port acts like another speaker which adds to the power of waves produced and prevents cancellation)
     
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  16. Dmonk197

    Dmonk197 Paid Member

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    Great, thank you- so best to do soundproofing, then upgrade speakers then if needed add a amp.

    thank you
     
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