Car died on track - pointers on where to start

Discussion in 'Engine, Gearbox, Exhaust and Air Intake' started by RSRowe, Sep 16, 2019.

  1. RSRowe

    RSRowe Paid Member

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    Clio 197
    My mates Clio 200 died on track yesterday. He shifted from 3rd to 4th and in the time the clutch was depressed the car cut out.
    We checked all fuses and earth's whilst we were there and couldn't find anything untoward. We plugged clip in and it couldn't read the ECU.

    The car still cranks and the cambelt appears to be intact. He ended up getting the AA out and recovered him home. Fault codes they read are below

    Any suggestions on where to start?
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  2. RSRowe

    RSRowe Paid Member

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    Car:
    Clio 197
    My mates Clio 200 died on track yesterday. He shifted from 3rd to 4th and in the time the clutch was depressed the car cut out.
    We checked all fuses and earth's whilst we were there and couldn't find anything untoward. We plugged clip in and it couldn't read the ECU.

    The car still cranks and the cambelt appears to be intact. He ended up getting the AA out and recovered him home. Fault codes they read are below

    Any suggestions on where to start?

     
  3. suj

    suj Paid Member

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    Location:
    Birmingham / Warwick
    Car:
    Nimbus Grey 197
    Could you take your Camshaft sensor off (as you know it works) and try it on their car?
    As there is multiple problems, to me it sounds like a low voltage problem causing the car to flag up so many errors.

    Similar to when my 740iL decided 5-6 error codes coming on at the same time on motorway (including automatic gearbox) and it was an alternator dying so giving low voltage.
     
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  4. PAUL JA

    PAUL JA Paid Member

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    Company shed
    We had an issue a couple of years ago, car just stopped at a Rockingham

    Couldn't read ecu with scanguage

    RAC came out and they couldn't read the ECU either, eventually had it recovered to Dave Hudson (now Motion Motorsport Longton)

    He found the ECU fuse had blown and there was an engine loom connector that wasn't properly seated (probably had been like that since leaving the factory)
     
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  5. RSRowe

    RSRowe Paid Member

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    Cheers Paul. One of the first things we checked was the ECU fuse.

    Will have to have a better look at the connectors
     
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  6. RSRowe

    RSRowe Paid Member

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    Being a BMW owner myself, I can relate to the battery issue problems :tearsofjoy:
     
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  7. Foxspeed

    Foxspeed "the new red baron" Moderator

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    megane trophy 300edc
    can you hear the pump prime when ignition is on?

    checked crank sensor - could be the "part of clutch plate" has hit sensor fault!
     
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  8. massivewangers

    massivewangers Paid Member

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    Clio 197
    Crank sensor popped into my head as have seen them get taken out before. Worth checking I guess
     
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  9. RSRowe

    RSRowe Paid Member

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    Will try to have a mooch. Cheers boys
     
  10. suj

    suj Paid Member

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    Location:
    Birmingham / Warwick
    Car:
    Nimbus Grey 197
    My E38 and E36 both did this....haha

    Yeah I think like Paul said it has to be fuse / electrical related, fingers crossed it's an easy fix!
     
  11. DS197

    DS197 POTM Winner - June 2017 Paid Member

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    +2 to crankshaft sensor. They usually die as soon as you press the clutch down.
     
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  12. tcw

    tcw

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    Car:
    Clio 197
    Definitely check crank sensor, and that it's plugged in properly - my car randomly stopped once and it was because the crank sensor had partially become unplugged.
     
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  13. tcw

    tcw

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  14. RSRowe

    RSRowe Paid Member

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    He's not had a mess with it yet. Hopefully have an answer over the weekend

    Shall update the thread as and when :sunglasses:
     
  15. RSRowe

    RSRowe Paid Member

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    The cars been sat in his garage since the trackday. But I nipped over earlier to have a little nosey.
    Pulled the crank sensor to be greeted with this:
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  16. lewishunter98

    lewishunter98 Paid Member

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    Location:
    Southampton
    Car:
    Racing Blue Clio 197
    Did the clutch eat it or something? If so that's exactly what happened with my mates! Pressure plate basically exploded and took it out!

    Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using Tapatalk
     
  17. RSRowe

    RSRowe Paid Member

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    I'm assuming that's what's happened.
    He's been moaning for months about it being tough to get into gear aswell, so maybe that was the start of the failure.

    Got a trackday booked next month, so need crack on and get it in the garage
     
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  18. DS197

    DS197 POTM Winner - June 2017 Paid Member

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    Looks exactly like mine did. Glad you got to the bottom of the issue!
     

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