burrellbloke
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I just noticed this on eBay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RENAULT-...pid=5337596986&customid=&toolid=20003&mkevt=1
Looks a bit over priced to me?
Looks a bit over priced to me?
A Bit Overpriced?
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burrellbloke
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The guy collects cars so it's one that has been kept indoors has the iconic colour, climate control, auto headlights, Recaros and no cup pack which you can change to cup but harder to remove the spoiler. very low miles that is not a track car or assume not crashed but I think their is another 197 on the road with sub 20,000 miles so the question is that it is cheap compared to ( well what do you compare it against it would cost almost that to get a higher mileage car to that condition)
Addison
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This has been on for a while now, I agree it's overpriced and whilst I get it's 'collector' condition, I'd much personally rather have one with a bit more mileage and great service history. I think it'll sell though, it'll just take the right buyer and probably one that doesn't know what to look for in these cars imo.
ha ha indeed
Iain 007
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My 197 has yet to hit 30k, was 3.5k with loads of extra bits
Still got my R27 just turned 22k miles. I’ve had a couple of offers but it’s not for sale.
Prices are subjective, what I think is worth £££ the majority may not. If you can stick a price on a car and can hold it for months then you will get a buyer. At the time I bought mine I paid top dollar, do I regret it? Not one bit. I never bought my car with the intention of making money on it, I have the luxury of other vehicles to drive hence the low mileage. I do my best to enjoy the car, it wants for nothing and love the way it looks. I’m approaching 50 and my wife and son give me stick about owning it. Is the R27 or 200 Raider future classics? Who knows. Is the 200 which this thread is about a future classic? Doubt it. The old Fords are now nostalgia purchases. I owned Fiesta XR2/XR2i Escort XR3i in the 90s, would I buy one now? No. I would take a Sierra/Escort Cosworth in a heartbeat but when I show my 18 year old son a Cosworth he’s not impressed. So who in the future is going to buy a Clio realisticly unless it’s a V6 or a 182 Trophy. You can stick a price on whatever car you have but it’s only worth what someone is willing to pay. At the latest Silverstone auctions a Phase 1 Clio V6 went for £29k a Phase 2 will make double. Cunning bargain profit maker or waste of money? You decide.
suj
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When we were younger and some of these cars were about, we never took as much notice to them, as they were everywhere.
Now I look back at the cars I used to see, work on etc they are so desirable, because they were so raw and unaided.
Seeing as cars are becoming more and more electronic things with turbo engines, or electric powered, I think there will be a market for them, I don't know if they will be like Ford prices, but I don't think they will be (looking at old R5 turbos etc). But people will want a light, naturally aspirated car, unless government change rules to make it impossible to own one. So Clios may be desirable.
Seeing as more are being used on track, being meg converted or written off, prices will start going up, when I bought my original E36 328i back in 2012 I paid £600, as that was what they were worth, I turned it into a track car. I just bought one again recently, after watching them getting drifted and written off, so prices have gone up nearly tenfold in 8years for a clean one! (E36 M3 prices have sky-rocketed, as the E30 M3 prices are astronomical, people then went to the next best thing, E30 325i, that followed suit, so people went for 318iS....that also did, people then went to E36 M3s....now they've also gone up shit loads).
For perspective, I bought an E36 M3 Evo rear axle with LSD, front knuckles and arms, brake master cylinder, propshaft from a 3.0 M3 (so I can run 5speed box and M3 Evo LSD) and 2 sets of M3 Sunflower wheels for about £1500 all in, I really like Sunflower wheels so I tried to get a set....a ropey set is now £800! M3 Evo LSD is desirable to E46 M3 boys and of course E36 boys, so that is now £1000-1200.....it's ridiculous!
I fully understand that the rarity of car pushes the price up. I also understand that most people don’t ‘get’ Renault cars - reliability, under powered compared to its rivals etc so that makes your buyers market smaller. Also PCP deals make Premium cars easily affordable. Why pay £10k plus on an old Renault when you can be driving a brand new German AMG, M, RS, etc. I like the exclusiveness of the Clio, I’m lucky to see another 197/200 once a month while every other car is a Fiesta ST, Golf R, Range Rover Sport.
Couldn't agree more, I've had my 200 for 8 months now and only seen one 197 and one 200. Every other spirited drive I see at least one ST or golf R, that's what attracts me to a clio.
suj
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Yep I totally get that and it's true, most people opt for PCP deals etc, but same can be said about Fords, no one wanted them a while back (well apart from Escort Whaletails and RS500s) now an XR2i etc is worth so much money.
Also I am in the same boat as rest of you, I have owned my Clio 4 years and I use it, before COVID I was doing 20-21k a year in it, I have racked up 67k in it, yet I still have it, as said it's underrated and unknown car to most people.
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burrellbloke
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I am one of those PCP guys and have a Megane 280 on finance. There is something that puts a smile on my face when I drive my 200. It does not have the raw boost power of the Megane but it just loves corners.
I think @LOCKE hit the nail on the head - price is subjective and if someone is happy to pay the price then it is the right price for them.
I think @LOCKE hit the nail on the head - price is subjective and if someone is happy to pay the price then it is the right price for them.
The thing with the Fords is that the folk that owned them or wanted them at the time are now at the stage in there life to restore or buy a decent one now that the family is grown up, mortgage paid off etc. Lockdown has had a lot to do with it as well. Folk not going out to eat, drink go on holiday etc extra cash burning a hole. Now if you bought an old Ford (not a Cosworth) for say £10k (say buyer is a 40 year old) who in 20 years is going to want they cars and what price is expected? Mint Cosworth’s are £70-£100k but the next generation (20 plus year olds) are not interested in these old fashioned cars. So in 20 years time where does that leave Renault Sport Clio’s? Technology is advancing rapidly, emissions will be even more frowned upon. The bubble with mundane ‘classic cars’ will surely burst.
PCP has its place. If it works for you then great. The reason new cars are so expensive is because the manufacturers know if you had £30k in your hand to buy a car you wouldn’t part with your cash because the depreciation is awful. Back in the 90s if you owned a German car you were doing well or had robbed a bank now everyone is driving ‘premium or prestige’ cars. No point saving money in a bank as there is no interest to be made so most people live there life on credit. And that’s exactly how the banks want us to be.
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