I was wondering about this, am i correct in thinking that with the ESP button ON (light on the dash board) it puts more power to the front wheels? When the ESP is off (no light on dash) its less power.. also is this called traction control? I was reading another thread and got confuzed! I have never had a car with such buttons before hand haha!
ESP button.
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it doesnt change the power output of the engine.
it just controls the loss of traction. It doesnt transfer any power, thats what a limited slip differential does.
It closes the throttle slightly until traction is regained.
it just controls the loss of traction. It doesnt transfer any power, thats what a limited slip differential does.
It closes the throttle slightly until traction is regained.
esp - electronic stabiltiy programme - works in extremes to stop you from spinning - does this by braking individual wheels to control the car
as said traction control stops excessive wheel spin - like from a standing start or exiting a tight corner - does it by reducing throttle opening/fuelling/spark
197 also has "understeer" control as well which is iirc bit like esp/tc combined...
as said traction control stops excessive wheel spin - like from a standing start or exiting a tight corner - does it by reducing throttle opening/fuelling/spark
197 also has "understeer" control as well which is iirc bit like esp/tc combined...
It's not that intrusive on the Clio anyway really.
Easiest way to feel what it does is to launch the car with the TC/ESP on and then launch it with the ESP off. With it turned on, the car may feel likes it's bogged down for a second before shooting off, this is the TC/ESP retarding the throttle to prevent wheelspin. With it turned off, you don't get this bogging but you will get more wheelspin and if you manage it correctly you can get a much more aggressive launch.
Like Foxspeed has said, the one really clever thing ESP does is brake wheels individually to regain grip/bearing if it senses that you're in a spin or about to go into a spin. No human in the world can brake the wheels on a car individually. It's a very clever system. I wouldn't recomend pushing the car to the point of feeling it in that way unless you've got a lot of space to play in.
Easiest way to feel what it does is to launch the car with the TC/ESP on and then launch it with the ESP off. With it turned on, the car may feel likes it's bogged down for a second before shooting off, this is the TC/ESP retarding the throttle to prevent wheelspin. With it turned off, you don't get this bogging but you will get more wheelspin and if you manage it correctly you can get a much more aggressive launch.
Like Foxspeed has said, the one really clever thing ESP does is brake wheels individually to regain grip/bearing if it senses that you're in a spin or about to go into a spin. No human in the world can brake the wheels on a car individually. It's a very clever system. I wouldn't recomend pushing the car to the point of feeling it in that way unless you've got a lot of space to play in.
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Yea it does I tried it just out of query the other day but you can turn it off full think I held it down for a good while lol
Fernandez
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The Clio has 3 systems iirc, ABS, Traction Control and Stability Control, turning the button off does not affect the ABS or turn off the Stability control fully.
The ABS will always kick in if you need to brake and take avoiding action and if your ever in a situation where you need to rely on the stability control your pretty screwed anyway.
The ABS will always kick in if you need to brake and take avoiding action and if your ever in a situation where you need to rely on the stability control your pretty screwed anyway.
I could feel all the electronics doing their stuff at mallory the other week, coming out of the devils elbow it was doing it the most.
Did'nt feel intrusive but it works faster than i can react so i leave it on, it was also helping around gerrards, one of the longest corners in the UK (trackwise) and several times i felt i could have gone around the outside of the car in front, it definatly made me faster than most things around that one. *
*Sorry if i sound like A2ON there. :rofl:
Did'nt feel intrusive but it works faster than i can react so i leave it on, it was also helping around gerrards, one of the longest corners in the UK (trackwise) and several times i felt i could have gone around the outside of the car in front, it definatly made me faster than most things around that one. *
*Sorry if i sound like A2ON there. :rofl:
abs cannot be turned off - unless you pull the fuse
all the systems use the wheel speed sensors for data gathering - esp uses the steering wheel angle sensor and a iirc yaw sensor to calculate when to "catch" a "bad moment"....
an emergency lane change or swerve round an object is the main reason for esp and its abilty to catch the "tank slapper" - unless you have the reflexes of a cat it should be left on...
esp from the book -
with the understeer control system.
power.
warning light
This system helps to keep control of
the vehicle in critical driving situations
(avoiding an obstacle, loss of grip when
cornering, etc.) and works in conjunction
the vehicle in critical driving situations
(avoiding an obstacle, loss of grip when
cornering, etc.) and works in conjunction
with the understeer control system.
Operating principle
A sensor in the steering wheel detects
the direction selected by the driver.
Other sensors throughout the vehicle
measure the actual direction.
The system compares the direction selected
by the driver and the actual direction
of the vehicle and corrects this
as necessary by applying the brakes
selectively and/or acting on the engine
A sensor in the steering wheel detects
the direction selected by the driver.
Other sensors throughout the vehicle
measure the actual direction.
The system compares the direction selected
by the driver and the actual direction
of the vehicle and corrects this
as necessary by applying the brakes
selectively and/or acting on the engine
power.
When the function begins to operate,
warning light
A flashes to warn you.
(loss of front axle road holding).
pages.
If the warning light comes on accompanied
by the message “ASR/ESP deactivated”
when the engine is started,
slowly turn the steering wheel from lock
to lock to reinitialise the system.
Depending on the vehicle, under
sudden deceleration when ESP is activated,
the hazard warning lights may
come on automatically.
by the message “ASR/ESP deactivated”
when the engine is started,
slowly turn the steering wheel from lock
to lock to reinitialise the system.
Depending on the vehicle, under
sudden deceleration when ESP is activated,
the hazard warning lights may
come on automatically.
Understeer control
This system optimises the action of the
ESP in the case of pronounced understeering
This system optimises the action of the
ESP in the case of pronounced understeering
(loss of front axle road holding).
Disabling the function
The function is deactivated by pressing
switch
switch
1; warning light A will come on to
warn you that the system has been deactivated.
This will also deactivate traction
control, and the message “ASR/
ESP deactivated” will be displayed on
the instrument panel. Refer to the information
on “Traction control” in the following
warn you that the system has been deactivated.
This will also deactivate traction
control, and the message “ASR/
ESP deactivated” will be displayed on
the instrument panel. Refer to the information
on “Traction control” in the following
pages.
traction control (asr) from the book -
you, together with warning light A.
is switched on.
This system helps to limit wheelspin
of the drive wheels and to control the
vehicle when pulling away or accelerating.of the drive wheels and to control the
Operating principle
Using the wheel sensors, the system
measures and compares the speed of
the drive wheels at all times and slows
down their over-rotation.
If a wheel is starting to slip, the system
brakes automatically until the drive supplied
becomes compatible with the level
of grip under the wheel again.measures and compares the speed of
the drive wheels at all times and slows
down their over-rotation.
If a wheel is starting to slip, the system
brakes automatically until the drive supplied
becomes compatible with the level
The system also adjusts the engine
speed to the grip available under the
wheels, independently of the pressure
exerted on the accelerator pedal.
When the function begins to operate,
warning light A flashes to warn you.speed to the grip available under the
wheels, independently of the pressure
exerted on the accelerator pedal.
When the function begins to operate,
Disabling the function
In some situations (driving on very wet
ground: snow, mud, etc. or driving with
snow chains fitted), the system may
reduce the engine output to limit wheelspin.
If this is not required, it is possible
to deactivate the function by pressing
switch
ground: snow, mud, etc. or driving with
snow chains fitted), the system may
reduce the engine output to limit wheelspin.
If this is not required, it is possible
to deactivate the function by pressing
switch
1.
The message “ASR/ESP deactivated”
appears on the instrument panel to warn
The message “ASR/ESP deactivated”
appears on the instrument panel to warn
you, together with warning light A.
Disabling the function also disables the
ESP function.
Correct this as soon as possible by
pressing switch
ESP function.
Correct this as soon as possible by
pressing switch
1 again.
The ASR traction control is automatically
reactivated when the vehicle ignition
The ASR traction control is automatically
reactivated when the vehicle ignition
is switched on.
I've only felt the ESP kick in once, that was in my 197 on a wet island and it went a bit sideways, the car corrected it nicely, felt super controlled and gave me confidence, not only in the car's abilities, but in the effectiveness of ESP. Not that keen on TC, I think it cuts in a bit too much sometimes, but both the Clio and my Mazda seem to have the set up right, it allows a little, before backing the throttle off and applying the brakes.
