Electrical problem 197

[Backie]

OK the pictures are good the car is in good shape must be a new genuine steering wheel. I think you have went a bit far with this problem I see aftermarket shift lights and radio, the radio interface ties into the can bus network of the car so I would unplug the add on stuff and concentrate on getting comms with the diagnostic port that way with a Renault clip you can check the multiplex network works and the components are powered up you could have a stupid problem like a faulty start button, brake or clutch switch even a faulty keycard, what the info display says is also important I see spade connectors in the glove box area which is not standard so why not tell us what the car has extra and what has been done recently like exhaust, manifold work etc. There is two bits of info you need a PDF of the service manual and Renault Visu (wiring diagrams) which will combined give flow charts for engine start requirements and trouble shooting and the wiring connector diagrams so you can test pins.

Thanks for the response, the connection in the glove box area are for the shift light, I’ve tried disconnecting them along with the stereo but no joy, have pretty much check all earths and have tried a full ecu kit of a donor, the only info on display is press brake to start and turn steering? unfortunately I don’t have access to clip only snap on and launch scanners but no ignition so can’t connect , any other advice/help is gratefully appreciated, cheers

 

[Backie]

You have not even scratched the surface with stripping that out yet.
I totally understand what you say about the amount of wires but having someone who knows these cars and is an RS Specialist and is amazing with fault finding / wiring then they are worth there weight in gold.

Luckily I have someone like that and they stuff he knows about wiring / and electrics is out this world.

Thanks for the response, I’m not brilliant on electrical stuff , I don’t suppose your pal is anywhere near Bolton ?

 

[Backie]

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[Backie]

I did find this connector in n/s door pillar and thought I’d sussed it but made no difference when cleaned up?

 

[turkie172]

I'll do what I can to help the fuse box below left of the steering wheel the top relay cover is missing. I think we have to start again your warning lights may have came on when a part of the ABS system went down or lost connection the car will not start due to a safety issue caused by the loss of a key component. You need to describe what happens when you try to start the car from unlocking to pressing the start button etc.. From the fuel pump sound, immobilizer light, messages in the info screen even using the break pedal or clutch to start, if the starter turns, if the key card is in the slot ( key cards can disable if both are inside the car but I think its just locking and unlocking function. The steering wheel caught my eye if its been changed the wires for steering angle sensor or the link between the stem controls can get pinched or pulled. If you have auto head lights when power is disconnected and returned the head lights come on. If you changed the battery the positive terminal has fuses inside it if there was a problem/corrosion the fuse links might have broken and you lost power to starter or other components (you diagnostic box can not communicate). Well it is a first stage easy check is the battery connector also the heat shield over the starter motor can touch a live terminal on the starter and blow a 20A fuse in the box behind the passenger headlight there are a lot of fuses in it but the message you get is no starter motor and "steering unlocked" message.

Power switching unit info

 

[Backie]

I'll do what I can to help the fuse box below left of the steering wheel the top relay cover is missing. I think we have to start again your warning lights may have came on when a part of the ABS system went down or lost connection the car will not start due to a safety issue caused by the loss of a key component. You need to describe what happens when you try to start the car from unlocking to pressing the start button etc.. From the fuel pump sound, immobilizer light, messages in the info screen even using the break pedal or clutch to start, if the starter turns, if the key card is in the slot ( key cards can disable if both are inside the car but I think its just locking and unlocking function. The steering wheel caught my eye if its been changed the wires for steering angle sensor or the link between the stem controls can get pinched or pulled. If you have auto head lights when power is disconnected and returned the head lights come on. If you changed the battery the positive terminal has fuses inside it if there was a problem/corrosion the fuse links might have broken and you lost power to starter or other components (you diagnostic box can not communicate). Well it is a first stage easy check is the battery connector also the heat shield over the starter motor can touch a live terminal on the starter and blow a 20A fuse in the box behind the passenger headlight there are a lot of fuses in it but the message you get is no starter motor and "steering unlocked" message.

Power switching unit info

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Thanks for the advice/assistance it's much appreciated , i'll try and list answers to your questions below and will post a video of what it's doing or not doing later tonight
1. the cover for the relay is there it came off while trying to remove it to check
2. the steering wheel has been on for about 2 years now
3. there is no fuel pump noise, the starter doesn't operate and the immobiliser light still flashes
4. I've checked the condition of the fuses on the positive terminal and seem fine
5. I've also tried a donor fuse box in the engine bay
6. If the car is locked you can open the door keyless, press brake to start on the display, put the card in slot press start button and turn steering to start appears but still nothing , it's the same whether key is in slot or not
7. the car hasn't been used much over the last couple of years maybe 2000 miles and a couple of track days
It's strange how it's gone from working occasionally to nothing at all , some times it would start again if left for a day or so but not anymore , thanks again

 

[Backie]

Thanks for the advice/assistance it's much appreciated , i'll try and list answers to your questions below and will post a video of what it's doing or not doing later tonight
1. the cover for the relay is there it came off while trying to remove it to check
2. the steering wheel has been on for about 2 years now
3. there is no fuel pump noise, the starter doesn't operate and the immobiliser light still flashes
4. I've checked the condition of the fuses on the positive terminal and seem fine
5. I've also tried a donor fuse box in the engine bay
6. If the car is locked you can open the door keyless, press brake to start on the display, put the card in slot press start button and turn steering to start appears but still nothing , it's the same whether key is in slot or not
7. the car hasn't been used much over the last couple of years maybe 2000 miles and a couple of track days
It's strange how it's gone from working occasionally to nothing at all , some times it would start again if left for a day or so but not anymore , thanks again

 

[Backie]

I can’t attach video of attempting to start the car

 

[turkie172]

OK you have no fuel pump prime and the starter motor does not move either is that correct. Does the steering unlock ready for starting you usually hear a click as you press the start button.
The immobilizer light check if it blinks slow or fast or if it goes out during the start process.
If you can't talk to the car through the ODB port I think this is the problem one of the units is not powered up so let me look at some diagrams and see what I can come up with.

 

[turkie172]

Do you have a multimeter and know how to quickly check fuses the horn 15A fuse powers the diagnostic socket the back of the fuses has two exposed bits of metal you can touch with the multimeter probes and if it is in continuity mode and turn on the beep and test fuses without removing them. Forgive me I don't know if you have such a tool or you level of experience

 

[Backie]

I can’t attach video of attempting to start the car

Do you have a multimeter and know how to quickly check fuses the horn 15A fuse powers the diagnostic socket the back of the fuses has two exposed bits of metal you can touch with the multimeter probes and if it is in continuity mode and turn on the beep and test fuses without removing them. Forgive me I don't know if you have such a tool or you level of experience

Hi again, thanks for responding, I have a multimeter and all fuses are fine, there’s no fuel pump prime, no starter action, no fuel gauge reading, the only things that operate are the windows, hazards ,lights and wipers it’s unbelievably frustrating I did a video of opening and attempting start but can’t upload it for some reason, cheers again

 

[burrellbloke]

Hi again, thanks for responding, I have a multimeter and all fuses are fine, there’s no fuel pump prime, no starter action, no fuel gauge reading, the only things that operate are the windows, hazards ,lights and wipers it’s unbelievably frustrating I did a video of opening and attempting start but can’t upload it for some reason, cheers again

You could try uploading the video to YouTube and then posting a link here.

 

[turkie172]

Yea you will not be able to upload it direct you need to put on YouTube or something and link it. I think you might need to check the connectors in the passenger side and across the tunnel in front of the back seats to the fuel pump to see for corrosion I will check the diagrams to track back where the power for those comes from.

 

[Backie]

Yea you will not be able to upload it direct you need to put on YouTube or something and link it. I think you might need to check the connectors in the passenger side and across the tunnel in front of the back seats to the fuel pump to see for corrosion I will check the diagrams to track back where the power for those comes from.

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I’ve already looked at the passenger side wiring and all looks good other than the n/s door harness going through the A pillar , had a quick look at the wiring going across the tunnel but seems ok will take the seats out to check properly, I’ll sort the video via you tube in the morning, cheers

 

[turkie172]

OK good job

 

[turkie172]

I might have found a car with similar problems and how they fixed it from the other Clio forum I'll try and see if I can see the diagrams but I think it will be your problem.

Clio 197 - Won't start

 

[turkie172]

Multiplex network Clio 2008 Keyless car

 

[turkie172]

 

[Backie]

Thanks for all the help and assistance, couple of links attached. Cheers

 

[turkie172]

You might have to keep moving the steering wheel it will be tough as the power steering motor will not help from what I have read so far the electro lock on the steering column has not enough power to release the lock so you need to give it physical help so it can electrically release meaning one hand on the button the other moving the steering wheel. I'm guessing if the steering does not unlock the rest of the start process will not happen