Camshafts

[Kazumz]

Hi, belts are being done and the guy doing them only charges an extra 50 quid for cams fitting.

What choice of cams can we put in our cars and what's the cheapest place to purchase from?

Ideally, i would want a cam that could give me more midrange and top end.

 

[Chris_200CUP]

402s or Kalaizaport do a fast road cam

 

[Mattb_197]

You generally get a lift of about 10-20bhp with cams and a good remap but £50 sounds rather cheap for fitting even if they are being done at the same time as the belts? Plus the cams themselves aren't exactly a cheap part, CAT CAMS from K-Tec for example are almost £800. By time you add in the cost of a decent remap and other little bits your talking well over a grand.

Few threads here with a bit more info:

http://www.clio197.net/forum/showthread.php?22524-Back-to-back-tested-Cams
http://www.clio197.net/forum/showthread.php?6063-Fast-road-cam-shafts-for-197
http://www.clio197.net/forum/showthread.php?24576-Which-Cams-for-my-197
http://www.clio197.net/forum/showthread.php?35825-197-k-tec-cams-review-alternative

 

[Chris]

You generally get a lift of about 10-20bhp with cams and a good remap but £50 sounds rather cheap for fitting even if they are being done at the same time as the belts? Plus the cams themselves aren't exactly a cheap part, CAT CAMS from K-Tec for example are almost £800. By time you add in the cost of a decent remap and other little bits your talking well over a grand.

Few threads here with a bit more info:

http://www.clio197.net/forum/showthread.php?22524-Back-to-back-tested-Cams
http://www.clio197.net/forum/showthread.php?6063-Fast-road-cam-shafts-for-197
http://www.clio197.net/forum/showthread.php?24576-Which-Cams-for-my-197
http://www.clio197.net/forum/showthread.php?35825-197-k-tec-cams-review-alternative

Your not going to see 10-20 with them lol...

 

[Kazumz]

You generally get a lift of about 10-20bhp with cams and a good remap but £50 sounds rather cheap for fitting even if they are being done at the same time as the belts? Plus the cams themselves aren't exactly a cheap part, CAT CAMS from K-Tec for example are almost £800. By time you add in the cost of a decent remap and other little bits your talking well over a grand.

Few threads here with a bit more info:

http://www.clio197.net/forum/showthread.php?22524-Back-to-back-tested-Cams
http://www.clio197.net/forum/showthread.php?6063-Fast-road-cam-shafts-for-197
http://www.clio197.net/forum/showthread.php?24576-Which-Cams-for-my-197
http://www.clio197.net/forum/showthread.php?35825-197-k-tec-cams-review-alternative

The belts will be done by SJM Automotive and I mentioned how much would cams be and he said £50 if you provide them to me.

So it's roughly £600 for Belts, £50 for Cam Labour, £800 for Cams and £250 for Remap...

Might just go for the belts then lol...

 

[Mattb_197]

Not combined with a remap? Seems even less worth it then! Most cars generally see a lift of 10-20bhp peak and about 5-10bhp across the revs with a good set of cams and a remap, N/A tuning.

 

[Pav]

thought you were doing a turbo conversion Kaz..seems like a waste of money to go for cams...they are quite expensive and as others said-you will not see a great deal of power increase..

 

[Kazumz]

thought you were doing a turbo conversion Kaz..seems like a waste of money to go for cams...they are quite expensive and as others said-you will not see a great deal of power increase..

Thought the cams would be a good deal while I was having the belts done.

Seems not.

I've got the money for the turbo conversion, but it's old hold as me and the Mrs. have been looking at purchasing a house in some time. We're currently renting at the moment and would like to get on the ladder ourselves.

 

[Sean197]

Tuning these engines going down the n/a route is a waste of money imho in terms of bhp/£. I would only remap for better driveability and an exhaust for sound, apart from that if you're after power/torque then go down the meg route.

 

[Chris_200CUP]

I need find some cams that give me 10-20bhp lmao

 

[TB Rich]

lol, never picking up close 20bhp on a mild cam like a 402.

Unless you go to a certain specialists rollers

 

[Chris_200CUP]

If look on my build thread there's and before and after of fitting 402's. If ran out mods too do and getting the belts done then yeh drop some in. Yes gains aren't massive but problem is people just look at "peak" figures


if just go get standard car mapped you'll hit 210bhp at ktec anyway , eh rich ha

 

[TB Rich]

If look on my build thread there's and before and after of fitting 402's. If ran out mods too do and getting the belts done then yeh drop some in. Yes gains aren't massive but problem is people just look at "peak" figures


if just go get standard car mapped you'll hit 210bhp at ktec anyway , eh rich ha

lol, theres another of those on PH apparently at the mo with 207bhp and nothing but some exhaust changes and a map!!

 

[Kazumz]

Posted one in the general section that gained 35bhp from a exhaust and map there.

 

[Mattb_197]

It's a shame these don't respond that well to breathing modifications, I know N/A tuning your fighting an up hill struggle but there just doesn't seem to be much more to give on the Clios. My old Type R responded really well to breathing mods and a custom ECU with remap. Ran a respectable 243bhp with power and torque up right across the rev range. No cams needed. Just a manifold back system, inlet manifold from the JDM model, ITG intake and a KPRO ECU with mapping.

Just seems pointless to be adding cams to the Clio if you don't get much from them, they aren't exactly cheap! I bet getting a Meg conversion done wouldn't be much more expensive and you'd have a massively faster car. If your tuning for power it's deffo the way to go!

 

[Chris_200CUP]

Tyre R is so much more tunable. In hindsight I would been better in a type r than the Clio.

 

[DS197]

Tyre R is so much more tunable. In hindsight I would been better in a type r than the Clio.

Same here. But the EP3 is ugly as hell and the FN2 is only a 4 seater. Why can't these be as tuneable in a N/A state?!

 

[TB Rich]

It's a shame these don't respond that well to breathing modifications, I know N/A tuning your fighting an up hill struggle but there just doesn't seem to be much more to give on the Clios. My old Type R responded really well to breathing mods and a custom ECU with remap. Ran a respectable 243bhp with power and torque up right across the rev range. No cams needed. Just a manifold back system, inlet manifold from the JDM model, ITG intake and a KPRO ECU with mapping.

Just seems pointless to be adding cams to the Clio if you don't get much from them, they aren't exactly cheap! I bet getting a Meg conversion done wouldn't be much more expensive and you'd have a massively faster car. If your tuning for power it's deffo the way to go!

No cams needed because K20 stock cams on vtec are 316/315 degree! 402's which are an upgraded cam for the F4R are only 268/263.

I did have a whole paragraph written defending the F4R but deleted it.....Honda engine is just much better!!
It has a bigger bore, shorter stroke, better rod/stroke ratio (less rod angle), solid tappets, better rocker geometry, bigger valves!
All of these things are needed to sustain the breathing at high revs to make the power. It's a 15-20k engine to do that in a F4R.

Tyre R is so much more tunable. In hindsight I would been better in a type r than the Clio.

You and me both!! So I took great personal pleasure in blowing an FN2 away the other day..........(however no one mention the money I've spent to do that!!!)

 

[Chris]

No cams needed because K20 stock cams on vtec are 316/315 degree! 402's which are an upgraded cam for the F4R are only 268/263.

I did have a whole paragraph written defending the F4R but deleted it.....Honda engine is just much better!!
It has a bigger bore, shorter stroke, better rod/stroke ratio (less rod angle), solid tappets, better rocker geometry, bigger valves!
All of these things are needed to sustain the breathing at high revs to make the power. It's a 15-20k engine to do that in a F4R.




You and me both!! So I took great personal pleasure in blowing an FN2 away the other day..........(however no one mention the money I've spent to do that!!!)

Will be worth it when you have singing itbs rich!

 

[Chris_200CUP]

Haha I say that but most of civics I've come across on track we gone past them. Even proper a proper race civic at last oulton outing. Can tell the tuned ones as do pull on you on the longer straights. At Cadwell last year following a black one round and soon as come to straight be just kept pulling. Probley only a exhaust and map sadly aswell.


the ultimate hot hatch would be a Clio with a vtec lump!