Exhaust manifold?
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63mm
The standard one is 60mm
no there's more to it than that!! the exhaust ports in the head are small rectangles. Proven gains on mk2s by replicating early 172 ports which are 30% larger, and oval shaped. You can't do this on 197s becuase the exhaust manifold is the small rectangle shape too. 182/172 manifolds were far better than the 197 balls up
I removed the front cat, fitted a toyo sport manifold and a custom map from k-tec made me 216hp.
216bhp...?
You must have some other serious mods to be producing numbers like that mate?
216hp @ K-Tec lol. Dont even start me off about K-Tec. Their horses appear slightly smaller (So effectively you get more of them to the pound) than everyone else in the Universe with a dyno.
I have a 36k "Very healthy" engine according to Andy at Engine Dynamics. One with more mod's than the car above and yet i'm 20 bhp down nearly. And there are many-many-many here with manifold, filter, system and re-map making around or just less than 200 bhp. Some Dyno's even see a car in this state as around 190 or just a touch more.
That's a 10% difference ! Hardly within operating limits i'd say. So guess which one is 'out' !! ??
****And i just shudder to think how much time, effort, research and money TB Rich has spent - to get what......225 odd bhp ? Hate to tell you Rich......you should have just got a cone filter and a remap you know where.
Stick in the mud, cynical or just bored of inflated and self promoting BHP figures. ? Be your own judge...........
I ran round naked with a lemming on my man sausage singing white cliffs of Dover and mine made 209 horses. oh wait that's fiction too :excited:
Lol @ Steve.
Lets just be clear about one thing.
I'm NOT mocking the (Or infact any) owner who makes a claim after visiting K-Tec. In many instances i've seen; the 'blame' lies squarely on their shoulders for what most certainly appears to be fairly inflated claims compared to just about anywhere else on a like for like basis.
Lets just be clear about one thing.
I'm NOT mocking the (Or infact any) owner who makes a claim after visiting K-Tec. In many instances i've seen; the 'blame' lies squarely on their shoulders for what most certainly appears to be fairly inflated claims compared to just about anywhere else on a like for like basis.
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Indeed! There must be a secret that K-Tec use on their cars, I'm thinking a special (sauce) cam lube when running them in
. Quite literally putting love in to every build
Indeed! There must be a secret that K-Tec use on their cars, I'm thinking a special (sauce) cam lube when running them in
The thing is for me @TB Rich ; with normal breathing mods [Exhaust, manifold, filter] along with a remap.....be-that at EFi, Engine Dynamics etc 'most' healthy 197's / 200's seem to make just under 200 bhp on the majority of rollers. Doesnt seem to matter if its a 56 plate 197 or a 2012 year 200. Thats just what they make. Mine was typical IMO - or even slightly better than average at 199.7bhp with full system, manifold, de-cat, modified induction and remap 1 and remap 2
Occasionally a really exceptional one might JUST crack the 200 bhp barrier - Especially if you got some more specialist breathing mods a-la Josh Gault @A1axx ; and of course the flip-side is some rollers are undeniably harsh ( @Johnny 99 )
Plus; we all know how hard it is to get extra hp out of an already fairly highly tuned lump. And we know that these cars ARE NOT 197 or 200 bhp from the factory - they are more like sub 190. So to get to 216 bhp with a exhaust and manifold long with their remap has "unleashed" approx 26bhp. Special sauce indeed.
The claims they make are just so far out of line with anything, anyone, any other product or any other methods and results anyone else uses to be credible IMO.
Fire away.
The thing is for me @TB Rich ; with normal breathing mods [Exhaust, manifold, filter] along with a remap.....be-that at EFi, Engine Dynamics etc 'most' healthy 197's / 200's seem to make just under 200 bhp on the majority of rollers. Doesnt seem to matter if its a 56 plate 197 or a 2012 year 200. Thats just what they make. Mine was typical IMO - or even slightly better than average at 199.7bhp with full system, manifold, de-cat, modified induction and remap 1 and remap 2
Occasionally a really exceptional one might JUST crack the 200 bhp barrier - Especially if you got some more specialist breathing mods a-la Josh Gault @A1axx ; and of course the flip-side is some rollers are undeniably harsh ( @Johnny 99 )
Plus; we all know how hard it is to get extra hp out of an already fairly highly tuned lump. And we know that these cars ARE NOT 197 or 200 bhp from the factory - they are more like sub 190. So to get to 216 bhp with a exhaust and manifold long with their remap has "unleashed" approx 26bhp. Special sauce indeed.
The claims they make are just so far out of line with anything, anyone, any other product or any other methods and results anyone else uses to be credible IMO.
Fire away.
Before and after graphs ftw. Mine was somewhere in the 180's, but bolting on bits made it slower lol. Same cars probably roll different numbers every day anyway. With a tweak on cam timing mine would have been better in the mid range, but can't be arsed with that hassle lol
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I've always taken my cars to independent dynos who don't sell products, they have no reason to under/over estimate what you're running. Do it with the car standard and then you have the baseline you're working from, go back once you've had work done and you don't have to worry about if someone else's dyno is setup correctly/biased.
Tbh Engine Dynamics are very honest in that respect. He told me the timing would need to adjusted to get the best out of my cams.
They aren't big into the NA stuff and he doesn't really bother with the social media side of it, just focuses on getting your car right. So they don't chuck it on the dyno map it and you drive home, they actually took mine for a week to get it right for my modifications.
Good thing with taking it to somewhere with experience is he can use previous maps as a starting point etc. I would now use them as the base point, so if it needed mapped again I know what I had before etc. I think if I take to anywhere else il see the same shape graph with different numbers, tells me nothing.
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Nope, sorry mate I'll not express and opinion before a Middle Ages man gets all upset again. He's the reason people hate to use forums.
Nothing better than a sour man a little bit upset, it's ok mate.. I realised I wasn't 18 anymore and swapped my clio for a Megane rs with cash my way. Keep your 200hp
the one thing I'd hate to do is own a clio and argue about figures with someone just trying to help out at your age, you're the type of guy to argue the toss with a horse about owning four legs.
Don't think anybody is mocking you mate if that's what you're getting at?
We're not saying the piece of paper KTEC gave you didn't say 216bhp, were just saying that in the past people who have upgraded their cams and fitted the best exhaust etc struggle to make those figures, that's all bud.
We're not saying the piece of paper KTEC gave you didn't say 216bhp, were just saying that in the past people who have upgraded their cams and fitted the best exhaust etc struggle to make those figures, that's all bud.
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