Clio 197 hp gains

[Cullen]

Im a little confused by 2 cars one my own and the 2nd is a mates.
Ive just had mine on the dyno to see what is making (was mapped 6 years ago) and a mate had his mapped in march.

Im just looking to see what these little clios should be making in standard form or modified form.

My car

Clio 197
Fast road cat cams
Decat
Toyosports manifold
Full system

My graph

173 whp 216 fly wheel power
183 torques



My friends car

Clio 197
Decat and zorst
Remap

191 whp
159 torques



Any help or discussion is appreciated.

 

[majki]

Both measurement were done at the same dyno? If not, you cannot compare those.
Even to skip that, your m8s graph is to generous IMHO, when talking about whp, those are some crazy figures at the flywheel.

 

[Cullen]

Both measurement were done at the same dyno? If not, you cannot compare those.
Even to skip that, your m8s graph is to generous IMHO, when talking about whp, those are some crazy figures at the flywheel.

Yea i understand the 2 differnt dynos situation i always thought getting close to 200hp in a clio 197 cost a small fortune. Which is why his results surprised me

 

[TB Rich]

There's no way 173 whp is 216 @ fly, so first graph is BS. 2ng graph looks like came from Engine Dynamics, imo they're a touch generous but nothing overly so, and far less than a lot of places. The 191 is surely at the fly (does not say whp anywhere on it) and would seem about right.

 

[Cullen]

There's no way 173 whp is 216 @ fly, so first graph is BS. 2ng graph looks like came from Engine Dynamics, imo they're a touch generous but nothing overly so, and far less than a lot of places. The 191 is surely at the fly (does not say whp anywhere on it) and would seem about right.

Why cant it be 216 fwp with 173 whp, not calling you out i just want to understand it all, im not into naming tuners as we all know they have ups and downs im just going by graphs really.

What should it be 216 fwp and 190 whp?

 

[TB Rich]

It's just those transmission losses are 25% which is really high for a Clio and so very unlikely. You can't ever be sure going from wheel to fly (although some rollers do measure coast down losses which can be pretty accurate if intended), but I would hazard a guess of a fly fig to be more in the 'region' of say 205bhp. For what it's worth the graph shape is excellent so irrespective of figs is clearly on point.
The only whp fig I have from mine was when it was stock, 161whp/193fhp - which at 20% I think was also too high, but that was on a dyno dynamics and they do literally just add on a fixed percentage! Which is garbage and they're def better rollers out there than DD's frankly.