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No snow problems in August .We have been several times on the Bike and car .We have been as early as April (some passes closed) and as late as October.There are 3 roads to the top And you can Access from Austria ,Italy as well .
If you pre book Ibis hotels you will get good rates.
We stayed at the hotel Enzianin Landeck last year and then drove to the pass and did all three .Its fantastic.
(check out thier web site)
http://www.hotel-enzian.com/start.php?site=ehome&lan=e&ss=home#
There are many other great passes to try out.
I would love to go again.
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If you pre book Ibis hotels you will get good rates.
We stayed at the hotel Enzianin Landeck last year and then drove to the pass and did all three .Its fantastic.
(check out thier web site)
http://www.hotel-enzian.com/start.php?site=ehome&lan=e&ss=home#
There are many other great passes to try out.
I would love to go again.
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F +43(0)5442 62066-6
info@hotel-enzian.com
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I know mate definately, wait till ive got my coilovers, carbon bonnet and brakes and had a good polish and ill organise a meet
ive got a day off tomoro so im going to get some costs together etc then we can start putting names down
This is the Ibis at Chalon Champagne we often stop over at this one on our trips .
A couple of years ago we stoped of at Le man for a look around and then onto the Alpine factory at Dieppe where the Renaultsports are built.
Also if you want some great roads check out a town in France called Belley.
The road from Tenay to Belly and onto Lake Bourget and then Lake Anncey are truly fantastic like a race track and hardly any traffic.Although this may be a bit out of your way for this trip.
A couple of years ago we stoped of at Le man for a look around and then onto the Alpine factory at Dieppe where the Renaultsports are built.
Also if you want some great roads check out a town in France called Belley.
The road from Tenay to Belly and onto Lake Bourget and then Lake Anncey are truly fantastic like a race track and hardly any traffic.Although this may be a bit out of your way for this trip.
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Ulm -Landeck seem to be the popular route to take .
just looked at this thread on piston heads
A route to the stelvio Pass
As all good plans tend to start this way, i was in the pub with a mate and we've decided to have a crack at the passo stelvio in the spring next year.
not having much in the way of holiday were looking at a friday thru monday jaunt. a quick fiddle on multimap shows it at about 950 miles each way so just over 2k in a weekend.
So does anyone have an interesting reasonabley direct route and the heads up on a couple of cheep places to stay on route... Were looking to take either my Chimaera or DOM's ZT260 :0
Cheers
Graham
Don't want to pi$$ on your party, but it's pushing it to get that far and back in a weekend and personally I'd not recommend it as you may be disappointed.
I was disappointed by the Stelvio. Overcrowded (nobody told me it would be full of cyclists and camper vans!), poor surface and actually too tight to be much fun. I had a reasonable blast up in the Cerbera (didn't get held up much, unlike many others in our group) but there's much more fun to be had in some of the other passes around there.
As all good plans tend to start this way, i
was in the pub with a mate and we've decided to have a
crack at the passo stelvio in the spring next year.
Got much Alpine experience ?
Late Spring I hope. I wouldn't attempt it before May.
Much snow up there.
So does anyone have an interesting reasonabley direct route
and the heads up on a couple of cheep places to stay on
route... Were looking to take either my Chimaera or
DOM's ZT260 :0
Don't take the TVR - not many repair facilities on route.
Calais, Brussels, Aachen, Cologne, Frankfurt, Wurzburg,
Ulm, Landeck, Bormio.
I did it on part of a holiday round europe in the Griff.
I wouldn't make it the main event for your trip, its not that good and there are loads of better roads in the area. However, it is worth seeing and the hot dog stand at the top is nice!
A drive through the dolomites is good, some really nice sweeping bends. If its raining its not a fun drive though.
If I were you I would drive down through Germany, spend two nights (one whole day) at the Nurburgring, spend some time around southern Germany (nice place), Through Austria and on to Stelvio pass area.
Bormio is a good town at the base of the pass with plenty of hotels, bars and resturaunts. If you ask around they will also tell you were to find the very good steam baths (really is worth a visit).
A good route would then be to drive down to lake Como which is stunning (although if you are with a mate then perhaps the life of lake Garda will appeal more). Then drive down to the coast and work you way along.
San Remo is a great stop in Italy just before the border. Its a mini Monaco. All designer shops and big casino (and better food!).
When you get to Nice hang a left and head up to Lake De-Ste-Croix. (Thats my lake!) Its a fantastic drive, lots of Monte Carlo rally roads and the lake is beautiful (although again, if with a mate not so romantic!).
I would definitly recommend doing the drive there and back through Germany. I have done it through France a lot and Germany once and much preffered the Autobahns, secenary and German friendliness. Loads of good roads in and around the alps though and the best thing to do is just explore. You will definitly find a few good ones.
It can be done in your timescales but you'll be pretty knackered. I drove the Caterham down to the Dolomites in 2 days.
Day 1: Calais - Reims (on péage) - Colmar (on N and D roads)
Day 2: Colmar - Black Forest - Austria - Italy Colmar is a lovely medieval town near the French, German, Swiss borders and was a good day's drive. Of course, if you stick to motorways you'll get further but it's dull
I'd suggest looking at doing a few mountain passes - like Ted says, Stelvio is a bit busy, especially in the summer. (Who are those nutters who cycle up it? ). Many of the Alpine passes from Italy to Switzerland are more fun. Look up routes with lots of little tunnels (avoid the huge tunnels and take the mountain route though - usually quiet due to the tunnel).
Wait until late May/early June for the passes to clear. We did Bolzano to Bormio to Stelvio to Bolzano to Arraba (near Cortina) in a day - very tiring due to the sheer number of switchbacks etc. No way could you do this trip in a weekend from blightly.
DCB - what is your problem? You obviously don't understand 'The Spirit of Driving'. Its not about whether a people carrier can do 130mph, the same as a TVR Griffith - rather its about the sound, feeling, enjoyment gained from doing it in a car which feels alive. I've done many trips to Europe, firstly in my Chimaera, recently in my T350 - neither hiccuped once.
Agree with Targarama and Ted here...don't make Stelvio the main feature, but instead part of many mountain passes. If you're taking the time and expense to get down there, utilise it (and, with such a car, I'd suggest Stelvio perhaps isn't the best pass - I did it in my S2 Elise (in theory perfect) and the campervans and cyclists (millions of the buggers!) spoilt it. Having said that, I think it was just a little too tight to get a flow going).
Anyway, my point is; do it, otherwise you'll regret not doing it, but don't make it the be all and end all of your trip as you'll be disappointed.
Oh, and your car will be perfect on the trip down the Autobahns; I was with Ted in his Cerbera as he mentioned above, and we had a fantastic time!
Cheers Guys, keep the Ideas comming.
Im open to suggestions on other passes to have a crack at on the way. Going through germany sounds interesting. I'll have a nother look at the map.
Our timescale is fixed though to friday thru monday, and to be honest the distances involved and the timescale are part of what makes it interesting.
I take the point about the stelvio being busy and perhaps not the best ( a bit like going to the louvre. there are much better paintings then the stroppy tart (which you cant get near) that you can get to no trouble) but It is one i'd like to go to.
Yes I should have said late spring towards the end of may, if we went any earlier we'd need to take th discovery <LOL>
This goes on for about another 3 pages its on Piston Heads if you want to Read it .
just looked at this thread on piston heads
A route to the stelvio Pass
As all good plans tend to start this way, i was in the pub with a mate and we've decided to have a crack at the passo stelvio in the spring next year.
not having much in the way of holiday were looking at a friday thru monday jaunt. a quick fiddle on multimap shows it at about 950 miles each way so just over 2k in a weekend.
So does anyone have an interesting reasonabley direct route and the heads up on a couple of cheep places to stay on route... Were looking to take either my Chimaera or DOM's ZT260 :0
Cheers
Graham
Don't want to pi$$ on your party, but it's pushing it to get that far and back in a weekend and personally I'd not recommend it as you may be disappointed.
I was disappointed by the Stelvio. Overcrowded (nobody told me it would be full of cyclists and camper vans!), poor surface and actually too tight to be much fun. I had a reasonable blast up in the Cerbera (didn't get held up much, unlike many others in our group) but there's much more fun to be had in some of the other passes around there.
As all good plans tend to start this way, i
was in the pub with a mate and we've decided to have a
crack at the passo stelvio in the spring next year.
Got much Alpine experience ?
Late Spring I hope. I wouldn't attempt it before May.
Much snow up there.
So does anyone have an interesting reasonabley direct route
and the heads up on a couple of cheep places to stay on
route... Were looking to take either my Chimaera or
DOM's ZT260 :0
Don't take the TVR - not many repair facilities on route.
Calais, Brussels, Aachen, Cologne, Frankfurt, Wurzburg,
Ulm, Landeck, Bormio.
I did it on part of a holiday round europe in the Griff.
I wouldn't make it the main event for your trip, its not that good and there are loads of better roads in the area. However, it is worth seeing and the hot dog stand at the top is nice!
A drive through the dolomites is good, some really nice sweeping bends. If its raining its not a fun drive though.
If I were you I would drive down through Germany, spend two nights (one whole day) at the Nurburgring, spend some time around southern Germany (nice place), Through Austria and on to Stelvio pass area.
Bormio is a good town at the base of the pass with plenty of hotels, bars and resturaunts. If you ask around they will also tell you were to find the very good steam baths (really is worth a visit).
A good route would then be to drive down to lake Como which is stunning (although if you are with a mate then perhaps the life of lake Garda will appeal more). Then drive down to the coast and work you way along.
San Remo is a great stop in Italy just before the border. Its a mini Monaco. All designer shops and big casino (and better food!).
When you get to Nice hang a left and head up to Lake De-Ste-Croix. (Thats my lake!) Its a fantastic drive, lots of Monte Carlo rally roads and the lake is beautiful (although again, if with a mate not so romantic!).
I would definitly recommend doing the drive there and back through Germany. I have done it through France a lot and Germany once and much preffered the Autobahns, secenary and German friendliness. Loads of good roads in and around the alps though and the best thing to do is just explore. You will definitly find a few good ones.
It can be done in your timescales but you'll be pretty knackered. I drove the Caterham down to the Dolomites in 2 days.
Day 1: Calais - Reims (on péage) - Colmar (on N and D roads)
Day 2: Colmar - Black Forest - Austria - Italy Colmar is a lovely medieval town near the French, German, Swiss borders and was a good day's drive. Of course, if you stick to motorways you'll get further but it's dull
I'd suggest looking at doing a few mountain passes - like Ted says, Stelvio is a bit busy, especially in the summer. (Who are those nutters who cycle up it? ). Many of the Alpine passes from Italy to Switzerland are more fun. Look up routes with lots of little tunnels (avoid the huge tunnels and take the mountain route though - usually quiet due to the tunnel).
Wait until late May/early June for the passes to clear. We did Bolzano to Bormio to Stelvio to Bolzano to Arraba (near Cortina) in a day - very tiring due to the sheer number of switchbacks etc. No way could you do this trip in a weekend from blightly.
DCB - what is your problem? You obviously don't understand 'The Spirit of Driving'. Its not about whether a people carrier can do 130mph, the same as a TVR Griffith - rather its about the sound, feeling, enjoyment gained from doing it in a car which feels alive. I've done many trips to Europe, firstly in my Chimaera, recently in my T350 - neither hiccuped once.
Agree with Targarama and Ted here...don't make Stelvio the main feature, but instead part of many mountain passes. If you're taking the time and expense to get down there, utilise it (and, with such a car, I'd suggest Stelvio perhaps isn't the best pass - I did it in my S2 Elise (in theory perfect) and the campervans and cyclists (millions of the buggers!) spoilt it. Having said that, I think it was just a little too tight to get a flow going).
Anyway, my point is; do it, otherwise you'll regret not doing it, but don't make it the be all and end all of your trip as you'll be disappointed.
Oh, and your car will be perfect on the trip down the Autobahns; I was with Ted in his Cerbera as he mentioned above, and we had a fantastic time!
Cheers Guys, keep the Ideas comming.
Im open to suggestions on other passes to have a crack at on the way. Going through germany sounds interesting. I'll have a nother look at the map.
Our timescale is fixed though to friday thru monday, and to be honest the distances involved and the timescale are part of what makes it interesting.
I take the point about the stelvio being busy and perhaps not the best ( a bit like going to the louvre. there are much better paintings then the stroppy tart (which you cant get near) that you can get to no trouble) but It is one i'd like to go to.
Yes I should have said late spring towards the end of may, if we went any earlier we'd need to take th discovery <LOL>
This goes on for about another 3 pages its on Piston Heads if you want to Read it .
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