possibility of camshaft adjustment

[Legend@wheels]

hi
how or when do i know that the camshafts need to be adjusted while cambelt service ?
someone with 172 told me that during the cambelt /timing service the camshafts require some adjusting (with some special tool) .but dunno if it includes our 197/200 if at all.
best regards!:wiz:

 

[Mattb_197]

The only time you would have to adjust them is if the timing was out? Timing can go out slightly as the belt ages/stretches but if it was out by loads you'd have serious running issues or the car wouldn't start.

You are correct that the genuine Renault timing tool should be used to to lock the timing and make sure it's correct during a belt change.

 

[Foxspeed]

172/182/197/200 all based on same engine/timing set up

that is fit locking tools - remove belt - fit new - remove tools - turn engine - refit tools to check timing correct - remove and refit remaining engine parts - in a simplistic way

 

[Legend@wheels]

does the renault's dealer know that stuff?
they told me they even dont use torque wrench for timing service so i dont know how exp they are...
lets say they dont know. there is any chance that after they will refit everything back and it still not 100% located ?(the belts and pullies )
and if it can be in cases like that what the results that can appear in the long/short run?HP reduction ?wear? what ever can be?

 

[Mattb_197]

If your worried about them not doing a proper job I'd be taking my car to a RS specialist in fairness. I'd choose a RS specialist over Renault any day me! - The price for a full belt, water pump and pulley change at Renault will be well in excess of a grand I bet. I had the job lot done at a specialist for £450 all in using genuine Renault parts and timing tool. They even code read the car for me for no extra.

There have been a few horror stories where people have tried to get these belts changed on the cheap and the person doing it hasn't used the proper timing tools or used ones that are a cheap copy and the timing has been out.

It can be anything from poor running/mpg to a bent valve if it's out enough to cause piston/valve contact on starting the car.

 

[Legend@wheels]

I m not looking after the cheap option i dont care to pay abit more for better job ,we dont have here rs specialists thats the problem... So i checked @ ren dealers.. How sad is that.. Crap!
Ill check some tuning garages maybe they will give me better answers

Btw the garage that told me they dont use torque wrenches also said "we are following the exact rn manufacturer's tutorial .. Tightning by feeling and putting some locktite"

 

[Foxspeed]

if the locking tools are not used and the crank pulley not correctly torqued/angled tighten then its a ticking time bomb and possible down on power/fuel economy

 

[Legend@wheels]

Crappp so what should ill do d*** it!!

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[Mattb_197]

Where are you based? There must be a Renault Sport specialist somewhere that's not too far away? I drove a couple of hour up the M6 for mine to be done and booked the day off work! - Yeah I probably could have got it done closer to home but I felt safer taking it to someone who works on these day in day out. So important to get this right when it's done, otherwise you're risking a potential blown engine which is mega money to sort.

Btw the garage that told me they dont use torque wrenches also said "we are following the exact rn manufacturer's tutorial .. Tightning by feeling and putting some locktite"

Are they for real?! I'm pretty sure Renault's guidelines for doing the cam belt will have torque settings lol. I'd have walked out there and then tbh! Wouldn't trust them making a sandwich with a comment like that.

 

[Legend@wheels]

Well no other choice even if i want to go 7-8 hours to another garage lol ,there just not any ..
We got 2 garages that called sport specialists( renault's i mean) out of 25-30 garages or something.
Anyway they do many timing services( for regular renaults models no rs models but still at the bottom line its all about rhe same engine is engine ) every week and they never had any problem so.. I think they know what they do plus they give 1 year warranty on parts and work so if it will be good for a year .then it means its done properly and will hold the 5 yrs till next service no?

 

[Legend@wheels]

if the locking tools are not used and the crank pulley not correctly torqued/angled tighten then its a ticking time bomb and possible down on power/fuel economy

Well i think you over react ,because there is marks on the rollers and belts you dont really need to know the degrees and all that .as far as i know there is marks for that ,you cant do what ever you want ( unless you're blind or want to mistake[emoji16] )
And as for the locking tools is the most basic rule in doing timing service ( with that specific tools kit or anything else)
The only thing is the torque to be tighted but if they will refuse to do it even if ill bring the wrenches ,i got a year warranty if nothing will blow up during this time(3-4 k miles) then it will last 5 years easily . correct me if im wrong
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[Foxspeed]

Well i think you over react ,because there is marks on the rollers and belts you dont really need to know the degrees and all that .as far as i know there is marks for that ,you cant do what ever you want ( unless you're blind or want to mistake[emoji16] )
And as for the locking tools is the most basic rule in doing timing service ( with that specific tools kit or anything else)
The only thing is the torque to be tighted but if they will refuse to do it even if ill bring the wrenches ,i got a year warranty if nothing will blow up during this time(3-4 k miles) then it will last 5 years easily . correct me if im wrong

what marks are those then???? theres only 1 that's on the tensioner....

f4r is a keyway-less engine

as said before - the tools time the engine CORRECTLY

the crank pulley MUST be tightend correctly

theres plenty on this site about badly timed engines

you believe what you want - I deal with Renault dealers/specialists and a well known Renault tuner - non of then guess :coffee:

if you ask the question be prepared for the answer even if its not what you want to hear!

 

[Chris]

Well i think you over react ,because there is marks on the rollers and belts you dont really need to know the degrees and all that .as far as i know there is marks for that ,you cant do what ever you want ( unless you're blind or want to mistake[emoji16] )
And as for the locking tools is the most basic rule in doing timing service ( with that specific tools kit or anything else)
The only thing is the torque to be tighted but if they will refuse to do it even if ill bring the wrenches ,i got a year warranty if nothing will blow up during this time(3-4 k miles) then it will last 5 years easily . correct me if im wrong
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Dont ask for help if you don't want to hear answers.

If I was asking a similar question the one person I'd want to answer it is Foxspeed, he knows what he's talking about far more than most others. So refrain from being rude in future.

 

[Legend@wheels]

Where exactly did you understand from my comment that i dont want to get answers and being rude?
If i didnt want any advice from you i wouldnt open thread/continue responding.
Simple as that -if i ask i want to know .
Sometimes its the answers im looking for ,sometimes is not BUT if i already asked that mean im looking for the right/truely way/or what ever .
So stop attacking and being sensitive for every word that just seems to be "not agree" .
Im more than appreciate you and the other fellas here that spending their time to help others ( and so do i i think )
And maybe sometimes my attitude looks abit different from my writing but the reason for that might be my english which is not my main language .


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[Chris]

Nobody is being sensitive here, but your challenging everything anyone is saying. Namely people who have vast experience with these cars and other Renaults. Foxspeed is giving you facts, but maybe you just don't want to hear them as he's already pointed out.

 

[Mattb_197]

maybe sometimes my attitude looks abit different from my writing but the reason for that might be my english which is not my main language .

I was just about to ask if your from a foreign background, it explains the wording in some of your posts. English is known as one of the hardest languages to learn in the world believe it or not.

A bit off topic but this is an interesting read... https://www.oxford-royale.co.uk/articles/learning-english-hard.html