Manchester MEN attack
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Chris
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Did you read my post? I was referring to certain countries, Russia, China, Australia, why? Because they don't get the chance for this to happen. And you said yourself most of the world is not interested, my point was to make a change and make ours so it is.
I'm in agreement with most of what your saying Mes.
So with a media blackout we wouldn't be talking about this incident because we'd be none the wiser? Never going to happen is it, not in this day and age mate.
Bring back Maggie T:excited:
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Of course mate, can't stop social media, however, if it's made clear to people that it is frowned upon, there would be a hell of a lot less talk about it. As for the press, that should just be locked down already. Pass a new law, do whatever they need. Just don't give this scum the exposure they crave.
People stick their head in the ground and pretend it does not concern them.....UK is too political correct.......im sorry but if you are covered head to toe you are suspicious, its not racist or targeting its simply suspicious and UK need to be less PC- UK also dont do profiling in the airport as they are scared to "offend" someone suspicious .
without checking Australia has very strict laws and i recall there was still a shooting not long ago in a cafe shop in Melbourne.....
Jimmy
Good cop
Really dreadful news, it's scary when it starts happening more and more. Found out today that a work colleague was there with her 14 year old daughter - who sadly was one of the people killed.
I agree on the media coverage of it - too many column inches given to the perpetrators, and the fact that they're 'celebrating' it. Do we really need to know that they're doing this - what good does that do, apart from create more anger?
And partially as a result of that anger, the casual racists in society will start talking that little bit louder, because they feel it's justified... As said above, how long before innocent people are tarred with the same brush, just because they are part of the ethnic minority? Why should they walk around, feeling frightened eyes on them?
I agree on the media coverage of it - too many column inches given to the perpetrators, and the fact that they're 'celebrating' it. Do we really need to know that they're doing this - what good does that do, apart from create more anger?
And partially as a result of that anger, the casual racists in society will start talking that little bit louder, because they feel it's justified... As said above, how long before innocent people are tarred with the same brush, just because they are part of the ethnic minority? Why should they walk around, feeling frightened eyes on them?
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Starting to feel like the seemingly amateur way our country deals with this shit isn't so amateur and is in fact part of some massively screwed up policy.
Pav
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I am so sorry to hear that @Jimmy ..there are no words to describe how I feel now..Until now I didnt know anybody who were there..Must be absolutely awful to find out..Hope you are ok..
as we all know these suicide bombers are celebrated so publicly naming them isnt really helping..
@Big Ben you had a point there..probably not a lot anyone could do in case you decide to do something horrible...
as we all know these suicide bombers are celebrated so publicly naming them isnt really helping..
@Big Ben you had a point there..probably not a lot anyone could do in case you decide to do something horrible...
Such a terrible thing, however I don't think a news blackout is the way to go. Social media will mean both information & misinformation get out. The press need the freedom to name the perpetrators of such atrocities though perhaps once the names are out there perhaps they could be dropped from reports after a day or two.
So glad to see the Mancunians pulling together regardless of race & religion to show contempt for the actions of misguided, maybe even brainwashed, fanatics whose actions are not backed up by the philosophies of the religion they purport to follow.
Living in Scotland my thoughts tonight are particularly with the families of two teenage girls from the Isle of Barra in the outer Hebrides, a totally different world from the city of Manchester. Such a quiet, special place on the outer edges of the UK. They were at the gig. One girl (15) has been found in a hospital in Manchester while her 14 year old friend is still unaccounted for.
We must stand up to terrorism, but we must not let it destroy our way of life or affect our actions. I have concerts in Glasgow & London in the next couple of months. I will go, I will be aware of the potential risks, but I will also bear in mind that the chances of getting caught up in anything like this are still very slight.
My thoughts & prayers are with all those affected by this tragedy, but let's carry on living our lives & refuse to let these b*****ds grind us down.
So glad to see the Mancunians pulling together regardless of race & religion to show contempt for the actions of misguided, maybe even brainwashed, fanatics whose actions are not backed up by the philosophies of the religion they purport to follow.
Living in Scotland my thoughts tonight are particularly with the families of two teenage girls from the Isle of Barra in the outer Hebrides, a totally different world from the city of Manchester. Such a quiet, special place on the outer edges of the UK. They were at the gig. One girl (15) has been found in a hospital in Manchester while her 14 year old friend is still unaccounted for.
We must stand up to terrorism, but we must not let it destroy our way of life or affect our actions. I have concerts in Glasgow & London in the next couple of months. I will go, I will be aware of the potential risks, but I will also bear in mind that the chances of getting caught up in anything like this are still very slight.
My thoughts & prayers are with all those affected by this tragedy, but let's carry on living our lives & refuse to let these b*****ds grind us down.
Its not retaliation- Muslims want to punish the west for not being Muslims and for living in sin, the fundamental problem is the extremist who take it upon themselves to play god and punish anyone who is a sinner (the west)- there is no end, they will only stop once the world has been converted to Islam...
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Couldn't disagree more with this John. Millions more see the news than they would see a specific post on social media. The more see it, the more likely it is that they will feel inspired / empowered to do similar. We're basically helping them by publicising it and we should stop doing it immediately.
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That's reading as a shocking generalisation and I'm sure you don't mean it. "Some" Muslims would be a much better way to put it. Some English people commit atrocious acts that doesn't for one minute mean all English people are evil. Same logic applies here. I know a lot of Muslim folk, at work and in my personal life. Sure they have very different beliefs to me but they're all, not one excluded, lovely, kind, considerate people who have never once questioned the way I lead my life, nor tried to impose their views on me.
Their religion is not what drives this. It's hatred of a different way of life and feeling like the west is getting too involved in how they want to live that's the problem from what I can see. Most Muslim people are very good quality human beings, just the same as the rest of the world when it boils down to it.
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It's extremists recruiting easily led people that are the problem, not the news media. The problem is when certain areas if the press come out with phrases such as "crusade" etc. this will help the terrorists. If the TV news didn't report these things they wouldn't be doing their job. Word would be spread by social media & word of mouth. Like "Chinese whispers" this would become distorted & become mis-information very quickly. Like it or lump it we need the coverage to know what is really going on & I wouldn't want to be without the coverage myself.
enough, but I think there's probably more people who go on social media for their "news" these days myself, however misguided that is. I remember so many Trump supporters quoting that they knew stuff was true as they'd seen it on FB etc. & that they couldn't trust the press.
It's extremists recruiting easily led people that are the problem, not the news media. The problem is when certain areas if the press come out with phrases such as "crusade" etc. this will help the terrorists. If the TV news didn't report these things they wouldn't be doing their job. Word would be spread by social media & word of mouth. Like "Chinese whispers" this would become distorted & become mis-information very quickly. Like it or lump it we need the coverage to know what is really going on & I wouldn't want to be without the coverage myself.
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I think that's kind of the same thing really mate. The more twisted and distorted their message becomes the less powerful it is. What irks me so so much is that we're definitely giving them what they want, coverage. It's bad enough we all pay to house these people, let's not do even more to help! We don't need to know their names, who their family is, what they like to do on a weekend etc. More harm than good.
ETA: think of it this way, it's not like the guys organising these things have access to all the details without the press reports. That helps them massively for them to know how many they killed for instance. If they're given the news to prove they have been successful surely that spurs them on for more. If they never hear jack about it maybe it would seem like such a win to them.
What's daft is, aside from the upsetting loss of life, every time without fail that these things happen, our communities come together, all ages, religions, races and it makes us stronger.
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sorry your right and i will clarify- i am certainly not labelling all Muslims - the muslin religion (the koran) believes that if you are not living the Muslim way then you are a sinner- its the extremist who are the problem.....( to be clear i dont think all Muslims are extremists)
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